Putin is picking a fight he can't win with Ukraine

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  • Allen
    Moderator
    • Sep 2009
    • 10625

    #16
    Originally posted by Vern Humphrey
    We're going into action with the most incompetent leaders this country has ever produced.
    Most incompetent puppets. They are anything but leaders. Even working for Russia, China, the taliban and obama, they still can't do anything right.

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    • dogtag
      Senior Member
      • Sep 2009
      • 14985

      #17
      Taking on Russia on their terms and on their territory would be a huge mistake.
      Ask General Paulus. Oh sorry, he's dead.

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      • togor
        Banned
        • Nov 2009
        • 17610

        #18
        Originally posted by dogtag
        Taking on Russia on their terms and on their territory would be a huge mistake.
        Ask General Paulus. Oh sorry, he's dead.
        Ukraine isn't Russia. Go ask a Ukrainian if you don't believe that.

        As a Brit you are well aware of the folly of weakness before the dictator, whether it's Obama or ol' Neville.

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        • Vern Humphrey
          Administrator - OFC
          • Aug 2009
          • 15875

          #19
          Originally posted by Allen
          Most incompetent puppets. They are anything but leaders. Even working for Russia, China, the taliban and obama, they still can't do anything right.
          I wish they WERE working for Russia, China and the Taliban. They'd leave them so screwed up that they'd never recover.

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          • dogtag
            Senior Member
            • Sep 2009
            • 14985

            #20
            Originally posted by togor
            Ukraine isn't Russia. Go ask a Ukrainian if you don't believe that.

            As a Brit you are well aware of the folly of weakness before the dictator, whether it's Obama or ol' Neville.
            Russia borders on Ukraine. Ukraine used to be part of the USSR, and is home to many Russians,
            When Chamberlain settled for "Peace in our time" England was UNARMED and would have been invaded.
            Chamberlain ordered urgent re-armament under Lord Beaverbrook.

            Only a fool would declared war on Germany at that point. All Britain had was the Royal Navy
            which would been sunk by the Luftwaffer.

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            • togor
              Banned
              • Nov 2009
              • 17610

              #21
              That's a new one, that Germany in '38-'39 had a Navy capable of delivering an army across the channel in opposition to the RN! And that the Luftwaffe, with no airfields near the channel, nonetheless controlled it.

              The story gets better every year.

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              • lyman
                Administrator - OFC
                • Aug 2009
                • 11294

                #22
                Originally posted by togor
                That's a new one, that Germany in '38-'39 had a Navy capable of delivering an army across the channel in opposition to the RN! And that the Luftwaffe, with no airfields near the channel, nonetheless controlled it.

                The story gets better every year.
                holy fuq,


                I agree,

                not sure what Dogtag is thinking,



                meanwhile,, the Crimean war was a thing,

                Ukraine is a bit of an independent country that will not fold unless there are some underlying issues that cause it to do so,

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                • dogtag
                  Senior Member
                  • Sep 2009
                  • 14985

                  #23
                  What Dogtag is thinking is that England in 39 was fortifying the south coast beaches
                  in readiness for the expected invasion. With only the Navy which would have been
                  sunk by the Luftwaffer and only the Hurricane fighter which would have been
                  decimated by the far superior 109, Britain's only hope was to stall for time.

                  Maybe you military geniuses would explain exactly how an unarmed Britain
                  could declare war on Germany which had the best trained Army in the World
                  and could emerge victorious ?

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                  • lyman
                    Administrator - OFC
                    • Aug 2009
                    • 11294

                    #24
                    did dogtag know the Germans had the equipment to move men and the assorted equipment in mass to invade England?


                    those 109's may have been superior, but those wiley UK pilots did a damn fine job with what they had

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                    • Vern Humphrey
                      Administrator - OFC
                      • Aug 2009
                      • 15875

                      #25
                      The Germans very nearly won the Battle of Britain. They made two grave mistakes. First, they only made one attack on British Radar, instead of a sustained effort to knock it out and keep it knocked out, and second they shifted focus from systemic attacks on the RAF to largely worthless attacks on cities.

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                      • Allen
                        Moderator
                        • Sep 2009
                        • 10625

                        #26
                        Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't Hilter decide to put England on hold in order to shift most all interest to invading Russia? Hitler, overall liked the English and Americans, he considered people from those countries as having ties to the true Germans that he referred to as Aryan's. He also thought that as England became starved out they would join forces with Germany.

                        Most everyone else was thought of as sub-humans, especially the Russian's.

                        England regrouped, war was declared with America shortly after invading Russia, America came to help and stepped up supplies to England. As you know, the rest is history.

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                        • Vern Humphrey
                          Administrator - OFC
                          • Aug 2009
                          • 15875

                          #27
                          Originally posted by Allen
                          Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't Hilter decide to put England on hold in order to shift most all interest to invading Russia? Hitler, overall liked the English and Americans, he considered people from those countries as having ties to the true Germans that he referred to as Aryan's. He also thought that as England became starved out they would join forces with Germany.

                          Most everyone else was thought of as sub-humans, especially the Russian's.

                          England regrouped, war was declared with America shortly after invading Russia, America came to help and stepped up supplies to England. As you know, the rest is history.
                          You are correct. Hitler shifted his focus to Russia after failing to win a decisive victory in the Battle of Britain.

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                          • togor
                            Banned
                            • Nov 2009
                            • 17610

                            #28
                            The apologists for appeasement have it backwards. They argue that appeasement bought time for armaments, when in fact it was deployed as a substitute. Why rearm to deal with the Bolshies when Uncle Adolph is going to do that for us? We just have to figure out his price!

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                            • blackhawknj
                              Senior Member
                              • Aug 2011
                              • 3754

                              #29
                              Half of the Kriegsmarine's destroyers-were sunk in the Norwegian campaign. Since they had only 20, to start the war-they would have been trying to fight the Royal Navy with a battle fleet only 1/5 its size.
                              The Battle of Britain was, as the Duke of Wellington might have said, "a damned close run thing" but I doubt the Germans could have won. They didn't bother with drop tanks, so the Me-109s had only about 10 minutes flying time over England, they were trying to conduct a strategic bombing campaign with medium bombers, German aircrews baling out over Britain went into PoW camps, RAF crews were given tea and crimpets, (maybe a shot of whiskey) and went back in the fight.

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                              • Vern Humphrey
                                Administrator - OFC
                                • Aug 2009
                                • 15875

                                #30
                                Originally posted by blackhawknj
                                Half of the Kriegsmarine's destroyers-were sunk in the Norwegian campaign. Since they had only 20, to start the war-they would have been trying to fight the Royal Navy with a battle fleet only 1/5 its size.
                                The Battle of Britain was, as the Duke of Wellington might have said, "a damned close run thing" but I doubt the Germans could have won. They didn't bother with drop tanks, so the Me-109s had only about 10 minutes flying time over England, they were trying to conduct a strategic bombing campaign with medium bombers, German aircrews baling out over Britain went into PoW camps, RAF crews were given tea and crimpets, (maybe a shot of whiskey) and went back in the fight.
                                That is of course correct -- fighting an air campaign over your own territory gives you a great advantage. Both pilots and downed aircraft could be cycled back into action. Badly damaged planes could be cannibalized for parts. And of course the RAF spent less fuel flying into and out of action and had more time in action.

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