So it is True!!!

[lyman]

Reread my post, Art.


Now as for WH security under Trump. Sorry but making it "illegal" is not the standard. Not when there are foreign Intel operations all over DC. Fact is, that if some schlub lawyer penetrated Trump's WH security then it is a monumental failing of the Trump WH. Some heists simply are not supposed to be possible. Agree or disagree? But this is why I think there is more sizzle than steak. Make too big a deal about it and it backfires on the Trump WH.

WH security is WH Security,
does not matter who is in the office, a D or a R,

we are not talking RNC or DNC and phone taps,

[lyman]

not much out there on it, seems to be a MSM blackout,,,,

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/spencerbrown/2022/02/14/bidens-national-security-advisor-pushed-trumprussia-server-connection-n2603257

Biden's Current National Security Advisor Played a Key Role in the Russian Collusion Hoax



foreign press seems to be all over it,


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...d-spy-him.html

[togor]

I didn't say that. I just didn't believe Trump was a participant in such a scheme, and that has been vindicated. I do know that the Russians were interfering but I also know the blow up hurt Trump more. I also know that when it was said and done Trump was harder on the Russians than Obama or Biden. The whole thing actually probably was a wash historically, but I edge slightly to the Russians preferring Trump over simply creating chaos. To the extent the aftermath hurt Trump, the Rooskies investment was worth it.

Remember Barr quashed huge sections of the report, so we poor members of the public don't know what is in those parts do we?

https://www.npr.org/sections/alltechconsidered/2017/04/03/522503844/how-russian-twitter-bots-pumped-out-fake-news-during-the-2016-election

As was explained, it was a circular system. Sometimes the Russian bots would amplify something Trump had said, and sometimes Trump would pick up on something the bot farms had put out and which resonated (as determined by the retweets). So not so much backroom planning as players on the same field being attuned to each other's moves. What I remember was the uncanny ability of Trump zingers at Hillary to stick. What we know now is that Trump was picking up material that had in effect been focused-grouped on social media first by the Russians. For 2020, Social Media had clamped down on bots, and the Russians were less active, and the visible result that was observed is that the Trump campaign had trouble figuring out how to paint Biden.

You make a good point that Ivan was rooting for chaos as much as anything, and Trump seemed the best candidate to deliver that. In this respect Putin got what he wanted. But as you also point out, there is such a thing as a backlash, and Putin is dealing with that now on the Ukrainian front.

[rayg]

not much out there on it, seems to be a MSM blackout,,,,

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/spencerbrown/2022/02/14/bidens-national-security-advisor-pushed-trumprussia-server-connection-n2603257

Biden's Current National Security Advisor Played a Key Role in the Russian Collusion Hoax



foreign press seems to be all over it,


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...d-spy-him.html

That was a good read!

[togor]

I am reading that Durham's investigation is about events from the Obama era, before Trump entered the WH. But that he's not trying particularly hard to correct the breathless reports in right wing media.

Nonetheless heartwarming that people should rally to Obama's side when attacked.

[togor]

In the words of "The Church Lady" Isn't that special!!!!" :

In a review of the Durham Investigations that have been released but not yet published provides evidence that the Democratic National Committee did indeed not only hire a tech firm (un named and unindicted...yet) to hack the Trump Campaign servers during the campaign but the servers in the White House while Trump was president. Not only that...the Clinton Campaign did in deed write the checks to the aforementioned tech company to find nastiness on Trump.

This isn't just a crime, It's a breach of national security.

The words "bad as Watergate" are thrown around loosely but if half of this is true it would rise to that level. The "Statute" has probably run on a lot of the original charges but if I was questioned on this I'd be real careful that everything I said was absolutely, consistent, accurate and above board and I'd sure be lawyering up right now. I'll guarantee the process of deciding who to grant some form of immunity to, if necessary, are in process.

Donald Trump, other than his sex life must be the most squeeky clean president since George Washington when you look at the vast private and public resorces used to try to get him for something, anything over six years with absolutely no success. That goes for his family too. Can you imagine if any of his kids were any thing like the womanizing, dope smoking, money laundering Hunter Biden??? They'd all be in Leavenworth.

Unbelievable, these people are truly nefarious.

So the story WAS hype.