She's choking on her own blood - come on bro!

[rayg]

The Police bodycam footage shows horrific moment a Phoenix gunman lured cops to help mother of his baby - and he'd just shot dead one cop and wounded others and then opened fire on other officers, injuring five

Body cam footage shows Morris Jones, 36, opening fire on an officer responding to the scene after he had killed the mother of his child on Friday

'Come on. Come on,' Jones says to the officer, luring him closer. 'She's choking on her own blood. Come on bro'

Police responded to the address after a caller told a 911 operator that a woman, later identified as Jones' ex-girlfriend Shatifah Lobley, 29, had been shot

When the officer asks who is in the home, Jones replies 'Just me' before firing several shots at the officer, severely wounding his right arm

The officer runs for cover, shouting '999! 999!' - code for an officer down or in need of immediate assistance - 'I?ve been shot!'

In a five-hour standoff with police, Jones shot four more officers and injured four others with ricochet. At one point, he tried to ram a police car to escape

Jones' and Lobley's one-month-old infant, who had to be rescued from the crossfire by officers with ballistic shields, was miraculously unharmed

Jones was found shot dead in the home - it is unclear whether he shot himself or was injured in the shoot out with police

I know there are people who really dislike/hate the police! And I always wonder why! Did something happen to them like a bad incident by an officer and/or they were arrested or were involved in doing something illegal. Now please I understand some people just hate authority! But usually there is some reason for the hate! And I am also aware there are incidents were the officers themselves were the cause of those feelings! I am realistic!

But please do keep in mind that there are not many other civilian jobs that incur as many injuries or deaths on the job for employers as police work does!

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...s-kill-him.htm

[togor]

American police are between a rock and a hard place. The rock is expectations from the public that they don't come in on hair trigger and inappropriately go off on undeserving members of the public. The hard place is a heavily-armed hostile element that wishes harm to police and others.

You guys don't like it when I refer to "pacification" of dangerous areas but if push comes to shove it may be one of the few options open. We can't forego policing because it's too dangerous. That simply won't fly.

[Johnny P]

A few bad apples give the others a bad name. In this video the state trooper lets the speeder go so he can punish the guy that honked at him. Should never have been hired.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jabLqexylbA

[lyman]

American police are between a rock and a hard place. The rock is expectations from the public that they don't come in on hair trigger and inappropriately go off on undeserving members of the public. The hard place is a heavily-armed hostile element that wishes harm to police and others.

You guys don't like it when I refer to "pacification" of dangerous areas but if push comes to shove it may be one of the few options open. We can't forego policing because it's too dangerous. That simply won't fly.

we don't like it because your ideas of pacification involve removing our rights and not doing a thing to stop the problem,

[Roadkingtrax]

People that use babies to bait cops into an ambush can burn in hell.

He's dead, but somehow couldn't do the favor for society in isolation. They always have to make a statement.

[togor]

we don't like it because your ideas of pacification involve removing our rights and not doing a thing to stop the problem,

Well since I never explained exactly what it means you're imagining things.

Remember hijackings? We used to have them now we don't.

Fact is, if policing gets so dangerous that it can't be done properly, then someone's rights are already getting trampled.

[lyman]

Well since I never explained exactly what it means you're imagining things.

Remember hijackings? We used to have them now we don't.

Fact is, if policing gets so dangerous that it can't be done properly, then someone's rights are already getting trampled.

lets see,

your idea to stop the killing in Chicago was to restrict everyone's rights, via gun laws that would make no difference,

it's in you post history,,,,

why would we expect different from you?

[Art]

I remember the old days when this was one of the most anti cop places I'd ever seen, In fact IIRC a fellow back then mentioning my LEO background told me it must stink to be me...or words to that effect. There was also a lot about the militarization of the police.

Two HPD officers were shot a couple of days ago in an eerily similar ambush. The bad guy was out on, again, a PR bond and had been for two years for aggravated assault. They're going to live, but are in the hospital. The bad guy will trouble society no more. You are going to see a bunch of larger cities die slow agonizing deaths over just this issue. Recruiting will go from difficult to almost impossible, and the old boys on the job are going to do darned little proactive for fear of getting in trouble.

Today if I was "on the Job" I would want that Patrol Rifle really handy all of the time.

The big change, high level politicians and celebrities, including big city mayors officials saying, both explicitly and implicitly in public that the police are the problem, and I mean THE problem, and then acting on it in counterproductive and demeaning ways. This gives fools like the one in the OP permission to feel that his last act was in line with the Will of Heaven. For him suicide by cop had changed, he was going to take some with him.

[togor]

lets see,

your idea to stop the killing in Chicago was to restrict everyone's rights, via gun laws that would make no difference,

it's in you post history,,,,

why would we expect different from you?

Nah you're just reading stuff in that I never said

Simpler than reading my posts ain't it

[togor]

I remember the old days when this was one of the most anti cop places I'd ever seen, In fact IIRC a fellow back then mentioning my LEO background told me it must stink to be me...or words to that effect. There was also a lot about the militarization of the police.

Two HPD officers were shot a couple of days ago in an eerily similar ambush. The bad guy was out on, again, a PR bond and had been for two years for aggravated assault. They're going to live, but are in the hospital. You are going to see a bunch of larger cities die slow agonizing deaths over just this issue. Recruiting will go from difficult to almost impossible, and the old boys on the job are going to do darned little proactive for fear of getting in trouble.

Today if I was "on the Job" I would want that Patrol Rifle really handy all of the time.

The big change, high level politicians and celebrities, including big city mayors officials saying, both explicitly and implicitly in public that the police are the problem, and I mean THE problem, and then acting on it in counterproductive and demeaning ways. This gives fools like the one in the OP permission to feel that his last act was in line with the Will of Heaven. For him suicide by cop had changed, he was going to take some with him.

YouTube and cams are the game changer. People see things, then they change how they think about policing.

A 17 year old girl hangs in there with her phone while the George Floyd incident happens. Don't know if you watched it, but it can't be unseen. Even Trump, who is pretty uncritical about street cops (prosecutors another story LOL) let himself be quoted as saying it was pretty bad.

So the technology is what has changed. What these other eyes see becomes part of the discussion, THAT THERE IS GOING TO BE A DISCUSSION NOW BECAUSE POLICE NO LONGER HAVE A MONOPOLY ON THE NARRATIVE.

I earn my paycheck designing circuits and programming them. Started doing it when I was in high school, many decades ago. Some principles haven't changed. But technology has. If I tried to design a 1989 circuit using 1989 technology today, not only would I have trouble getting parts to build it, but my boss would wonder what the hell I was going back to 1989 for.

Ray is right....it is dangerous. What are the trend lines?

[Art]

The George Floyd case should have been handled as it was by the courts. Not an excuse to burn towns or declare open war on the Police. Radicals used this and other incidents, some less egregious, some in which the police were completely exonerated (Freddie Gray Case) to use the incident to foment the beginnings of a Rebellion. The Gray case is the worst. The officers were all charged in a few days without even an investigation. The District Attorney misstated the circumstances in a press conference. The Mayor actually said people who need to destroy need space to destroy. The officers who went to trial all had their cases thrown out by Baltimore Judges because there was no case. The fires raged, the police force was gutted, and Baltimore totters on unlivable.

All discussion aside, metropolitan leadership, and too often State and Federal leadership has been horrible.

I will be the first to agree that there have been, are and always will be Police abuses of force. I agree that those cases should be prosecuted aggressively. I agree Derek Chauvin should be in Jail. I also agree George Floyd was a petty career criminal and not Moses.

[lyman]

Nah you're just reading stuff in that I never said

Simpler than reading my posts ain't it

no, there was a several page long discussion that you refuse to recall


and of course, now making accusations otherwise,


your typical MO when proven wrong

[lyman]

I remember the old days when this was one of the most anti cop places I'd ever seen, In fact IIRC a fellow back then mentioning my LEO background told me it must stink to be me...or words to that effect. There was also a lot about the militarization of the police.

Two HPD officers were shot a couple of days ago in an eerily similar ambush. The bad guy was out on, again, a PR bond and had been for two years for aggravated assault. They're going to live, but are in the hospital. The bad guy will trouble society no more. You are going to see a bunch of larger cities die slow agonizing deaths over just this issue. Recruiting will go from difficult to almost impossible, and the old boys on the job are going to do darned little proactive for fear of getting in trouble.

Today if I was "on the Job" I would want that Patrol Rifle really handy all of the time.

The big change, high level politicians and celebrities, including big city mayors officials saying, both explicitly and implicitly in public that the police are the problem, and I mean THE problem, and then acting on it in counterproductive and demeaning ways. This gives fools like the one in the OP permission to feel that his last act was in line with the Will of Heaven. For him suicide by cop had changed, he was going to take some with him.

In my past and present employment, I have met a lot of cops,

in the past, the older cops were always kinda laid back, the younger not so much,

now, or at least in the past couple, no one is laid back, too much stress,

met a guy when I was picking up something from a gunsmith I know, that was a relatively young cop,
he was nervous, and thinking about finding other employment (as many since had)

scared for his family's safety if he parked his car in the driveway ( he parked it behind the house where it could not be seen, or down the street in church parking lot,
not happy with having to wear a Cam that did not always work, or take the vids in the way it was designed (as in knocked out of position too often)

big increase (and heard this again a few nights ago when I was buying a shotgun from a cop) in Mental Health cases, which are never easy,

and you have to be on your toes,, for the obvious reasons, and also cause behind every tree is someone with a cell phone recording , and then potentially taking that vid and editing out of context,


not to mention short handed, and the other daily worries while on the job,

[rayg]

The George Floyd case should have been handled as it was by the courts. Not an excuse to burn towns or declare open war on the Police. Radicals used this and other incidents, some less egregious, some in which the police were completely exonerated (Freddie Gray Case) to use the incident to foment the beginnings of a Rebellion. The Gray case is the worst. The officers were all charged in a few days without even an investigation. The District Attorney misstated the circumstances in a press conference. The Mayor actually said people who need to destroy need space to destroy. The officers who went to trial all had their cases thrown out by Baltimore Judges because there was no case. The fires raged, the police force was gutted, and Baltimore totters on unlivable.

All discussion aside, metropolitan leadership, and too often State and Federal leadership has been horrible.

I will be the first to agree that there have been, are and always will be Police abuses of force. I agree that those cases should be prosecuted aggressively. I agree Derek Chauvin should be in Jail. I also agree George Floyd was a petty career criminal and not Moses.

Well said Art!...

[dryheat]

If pacification means napalm, I'm all for it.