Sharpening the knife

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Moscow claims the 'Kinzhal'- or Dagger - missile is 'unstoppable' by current Western defensive weapons

If this missile can wipe out a huge building, what could it do with a nuke?

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Moscow claims the 'Kinzhal'- or Dagger - missile is 'unstoppable' by current Western defensive weapons

If this missile can wipe out a huge building, what could it do with a nuke?

In the past you have sensibly (and correctly) pointed out that hype seldom matches reality where the Russians are concerned.

[bruce]

Who cares? If putin brings in nukes at whatever speed, the consequences to follow will be swift and certain. Sincerely. bruce.

[RED]

Putin used the hypersonic dagger to deliver a bomb but could have made the same damage with a gravity bomb or a cruise missile. There was a purpose there not just hype.

Remember the hard red line in syria? I think you can bet if it happens the NATO response will neither be swift nor nuclear.

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He says he used a hypersonic missile. The military knows the truth of it and I don't blame them for saying nothing about it.

Here is the thing. If he attacked the west with Scuds or lumbering missiles that were shot down or hypersonic ones that got through, it's all the same in the sense that an attack is an attack. Putin can't rule out a NATO response in Ukraine if he does attack the west, and if he would go nuclear off of that, well that can happen anyways.

[barretcreek]

Agreed. Regardless of what it was the claim is more intimidation and bullying.

[RED]

I don?t agree. It was a deliberate step down the road to using nukes in Ukraine. Here is what Russian expert Rebekah Koffler said:


?even the suggestion of launching such a weapon is significant.

It's a game-changer in the geopolitical realm, not unlike in the military realm, because they're trying to [send a] strategic message," she said. "In my assessment, [Russian President Vladimir Putin] is climbing small steps in the escalation ladder on the trajectory to nuclear warfare."

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Well we can't just let Putin have his way in the world, or Xi, by rolling over every time they do something scary. There would be no living with them, or ourselves.

So we have to figure out ways to bleed Russia in Ukraine while denying Russian people nice lives back home, until somehow or another they throw in the towel. It sucks but I can't say I'm surprised, given who P is, and how he did play a number of folks in the West for a very long time. Worth pointing out that not everyone was fooled by Putin, and it's worth finding out for one's self who those people are who saw through P from the beginning. The answer might surprise.

[RED]

Who besides the NSDP and our President wants to do nothing?

Biden gave his approval for the invasion when he supported the Nord Stream 2 completion and killed Keystone and killed Anwar production. That made it certain that Europe is dependent on Russia for gas. Trump stopped Nord Stream 2 therefore no invasion to destroy the Ukrainian pipeline. The green light Putin needed.

Even now the traitorous left is still lying about anything about the Bidens. 50 high level intelligence officials signed a sworn document stating the Hunter Laptop information was Russian misinformation and not true. That is a proven lie and not one of those traitors have yet to retract the lie.

The NSDP has nothing to fear in 2004. All they need to do is replace one Biden with another and 50 million of their members will swear that Hunter is the most truthful, caring, honest, and trustworthy person on Earth.

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Who besides the NSDP and our President wants to do nothing?

Biden gave his approval for the invasion when he supported the Nord Stream 2 completion and killed Keystone and killed Anwar production. That made it certain that Europe is dependent on Russia for gas. Trump stopped Nord Stream 2 therefore no invasion to destroy the Ukrainian pipeline. The green light Putin needed.

Even now the traitorous left is still lying about anything about the Bidens. 50 high level intelligence officials signed a sworn document stating the Hunter Laptop information was Russian misinformation and not true. That is a proven lie and not one of those traitors have yet to retract the lie.

The NSDP has nothing to fear in 2004. All they need to do is replace one Biden with another and 50 million of their members will swear that Hunter is the most truthful, caring, honest, and trustworthy person on Earth.

2004 was a Bush year.

I'll argue that both W and O effed up big time in their reading of P. T...who really knows what the hell was going on there. However one slices it, B has a pretty big mess on his hands. P bet on Russia being one of those "too big to fail" deals so he bet big and a decent amount of petroleum, food and fertilizer are caught up in the bet.

But again living with a knife at the throat is intolerable so we just have to tough this one out. I believe T said "we have to toughen up as a country" and while I don't think this is what he was specifically talking about, it's still true.

Watch the Chinese owned US meat companies this year. Are they diverting product from the American market to China? Something to watch, and IMO such sales should not have been allowed to happen.

[barretcreek]

Agree on Smithfield and(IBP?), as well as ag land. But a lot of ag land is foreign owned before the Chinese became a player. Bu to the matter at hand.

Talked with a good friend, ret'd O6. NATO, especially the former Eastern Bloc need to send Vlad a unified message: You will 'conquer' an empty wasteland if you attempt to retake Eastern Europe. As with Ukraine, we will fight to the last.

It will be a Pyrrhic Victory. Of course, that could be fine with him.

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The Gulf sheiks own land in the SW on which they grow alfalfa for export back home. They have the coin to drill deep for water.

People who hate government regulations need to wake up and figure out that sometimes no regulations is an even worse situation.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cnbc.com/amp/2016/01/15/saudi-arabia-buying-up-farmland-in-us-southwest.html

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2004 was a Bush year.

I'll argue that both W and O effed up big time in their reading of P. T...who really knows what the hell was going on there. However one slices it, B has a pretty big mess on his hands. P bet on Russia being one of those "too big to fail" deals so he bet big and a decent amount of petroleum, food and fertilizer are caught up in the bet.

But again living with a knife at the throat is intolerable so we just have to tough this one out. I believe T said "we have to toughen up as a country" and while I don't think this is what he was specifically talking about, it's still true.

Watch the Chinese owned US meat companies this year. Are they diverting product from the American market to China? Something to watch, and IMO such sales should not have been allowed to happen.

I made a big typo error? I was talking 2024, not 2004. You knew that when you threw the Bush BS into the ring.

Every dead Ukrainian killed in the invasion is on Joe Bidens head.

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I made a big typo error? I was talking 2024, not 2004. You knew that when you threw the Bush BS into the ring.

Every dead Ukrainian killed in the invasion is on Joe Bidens head.

So there are the people arguing that Putin wasn't going to be deterred and we should have encouraged Ukraine to just lie back and take it. Then there are the people who believe that there was some magical spell that if uttered, would have kept P from invading.

These are completely opposite arguments with nothing in common save for one thing: they put the blame on someone other than the person ordering the killing and destruction .

I'd ask which camp of the two you belong to but both are completely messed up so it doesn't really matter and I don't really care. If you can't put the blame where it rightly belongs, on Putin, then that's all anyone needs to know.

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There are also the super-hawks who believe we should get in there with the Air Force and just shut all the shooting down. And every day that goes by where we don't is our fault. Zelenskyy is of this view, publicly, but can't say I hold it against him.