Candace Owens Blames America

[togor]

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/23/t...smid=url-share

For the war in Ukraine.

Nice old-school reporting on the alignment between Kremlin propagandists and some in the west. Some of Dogtag's favs might make the list.

[Johnny P]

Does Candace Owens have anything to do with shaping U.S. policy?

Best to worry about what Windup Man Biden may say.

[togor]

Does Candace Owens have anything to do with shaping U.S. policy?

Best to worry about what Windup Man Biden may say.

That's an interesting question about Candace Owens. She represents, I suppose, a certain fraction of the electorate that blames America--an old liberal habit that has found new life on the other side.

If the suggestion is that she's just a wingnut that should be ignored, along with all of those who agree with her, well I get where you are coming from, but at the same time, many of the problems in this country come from the one side ignoring the other. So better to take the measure of her words instead of cancelling her. Yeah?

[Art]

The thing that surprised me about the article was how little it actually says about Candace Owens and how much it says about other people, Tucker Carlson in particular. In reality, the political right in the US including Fox News with the exception of Carlson who has made a career of being contrarian, is overwhelmingly sympathetic to the Ukrainian cause.

There has always been a debate about whether the forward deployment of NATO (the one comment I found attributed to Owens) was "Prudent." That actually originally had little to do with Putin being a thug, but rather what the true mission of NATO was, if any in a post Soviet Union Europe. That debate has been settled, for better or worse, by Putin's actions and the onset of what is almost surely a new cold war.

It is interesting to see people on the right being accused of being Soviet/Russian appeasers instead of the other way around though left wing gutlessness is certainly at least partly, and probably largely, responsible for the current situation.

[barretcreek]

https://www.foxnews.com/media/candace-owens-new-york-times-ukraine-hunter-biden?msclkid=495c1498aadf11ec98f603c7bddfd0be

Candace Owens shot back at NYT pointing out that everything she wrote came from the Times articles on Ukraine. Referenced above but it's in a Tweet.

[Art]

Funny how the worm turns. Here is an 2019 article from "The Nation," a leading Leftie/Socialist/Liberal publication that parrots Putin on the Ukraine's NAZI leanings, or maybe Putin parrots them. The article references a "Daily Beast" (another leftie periodical) article that apparently agrees with their article. Obviously the allegations in this piece, true false or indifferent are extremely politically incorrect today. Hey, only and idiot like Tucker Carlson would ever dream of even thinking anything like the substance of this piece .

https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/neo-nazis-far-right-ukraine/

[barretcreek]

Need to search some emails for an article at odds with Kennan's 'line in the mud' about the eastward expansion of NATO.

[togor]

Putin certainly fooled a great many people in this country with the slick propaganda.

Around here I think Clintonhater (remember him?) was the biggest apologist for Vlad around the 2016 election.

CH's opinions were overall what passes for conservative these days, but not exclusively. He looked at the Iraq ware as a unmitigated disaster. It gets put on W but the truth was that there were these neocons hanging around from the first Gulf War who felt they had unfinished business.

I can't give Carlson a pass as a simple contrarian. Without a doubt he is for certain things, which he discusses using the Soviet propaganda technique of "just asking questions". The dude is vile, no doubt about it.

[barretcreek]

https://www.newyorker.com/news/q-and-a/stephen-kotkin-putin-russia-ukraine-stalin

The article which presents an alternate view.

[RED]

When you look at the completely foolish and obviously wrong things that Putin has claimed about Ukraine it is as ridiculous asa lot of what a lot of the totally absurd made up lies the American Left has been peddling.

For example, Nazis hated the Jews so much they exterminated six million of them but now Putin and the American radicals (right and left) are calling Jewish people, Nazi?s. It is totally absurd and the far right and far left are eating it up.

[togor]

https://www.newyorker.com/news/q-and...ukraine-stalin

The article which presents an alternate view.

Thanks. That was an interesting read.

It bugs me when so-called "Russia Scholars" in the West blame the west for NATO expansion. These countries saw a chance to get out from under the Kremlin and they took it. If Moscow cannot govern wisely then this is the result.

[lyman]

The thing that surprised me about the article was how little it actually says about Candace Owens and how much it says about other people, Tucker Carlson in particular. In reality, the political right in the US including Fox News with the exception of Carlson who has made a career of being contrarian, is overwhelmingly sympathetic to the Ukrainian cause.

There has always been a debate about whether the forward deployment of NATO (the one comment I found attributed to Owens) was "Prudent." That actually originally had little to do with Putin being a thug, but rather what the true mission of NATO was, if any in a post Soviet Union Europe. That debate has been settled, for better or worse, by Putin's actions and the onset of what is almost surely a new cold war.

It is interesting to see people on the right being accused of being Soviet/Russian appeasers instead of the other way around though left wing gutlessness is certainly at least partly, and probably largely, responsible for the current situation.

funny how that has played out,


it's the new party line, as evidenced by our own resident democrat,,,

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Putin certainly fooled a great many people in this country with the slick propaganda.

Around here I think Clintonhater (remember him?) was the biggest apologist for Vlad around the 2016 election.

CH's opinions were overall what passes for conservative these days, but not exclusively. He looked at the Iraq ware as a unmitigated disaster. It gets put on W but the truth was that there were these neocons hanging around from the first Gulf War who felt they had unfinished business.

I can't give Carlson a pass as a simple contrarian. Without a doubt he is for certain things, which he discusses using the Soviet propaganda technique of "just asking questions". The dude is vile, no doubt about it.

damn


you have me LOL'ing with your question more pic,,


does the DNC send you notes with speaking points and the what when where?