Climate change

[RED]

I am not hearing much about climate change yet here in the US many places has had the coldest winter in years.

BTW, there has been at least eight ancient civilizations destroyed by climate change. It is too bad they did not get rid of SUVs, hair spray, and carbon based fuels.

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The climate is changing, and many wonder how this will affect future civilizations. After all, rapid shifts in the weather have shaped human life before and they can do it again. Even ancient civilizations grappled with the effects of climate change.

For many years, researchers have studied ancient civilizations to understand why they collapsed. Some have uncovered evidence that climate change could have been the culprit. Even centuries ago, societies faced enormous pressures such as droughts, floods, and natural disasters. Many civilizations survived these, but some succumbed to them. There is much to learn from the stories of fallen civilizations.

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[togor]

Local weather v. global climate.

Related but different issues. Like if there is TP shortage generally but your pantry is stacked floor to ceiling.

[Major Tom]

Climate change today is used by the far left to scare people and promote the far left agenda to ban fossil fuels and to depend on electricity and wind power. A modern civilization cannot thrive without fossil fuels!

[Johnny P]

The climate was changing long before the first caveman built a fire to warm and cook on.

[Allen]

The climate here is warming up. I'm having to cut grass. Some would think that's never happened before.

[togor]

I think I solved the border crisis!

Migration over southern border: BAD

Effects of Climate Change on human habitation patterns: NO BIG DEAL

Bingo! What's going on down there is just a normal part of human history. Migrations have been occurring for countless millennia. No reason for it to change now.

[Johnny P]

The part you missed is this is moron assisted migration, not natural migration.

Natural migration is when the humming birds, ducks, and geese go one way part of the year and then go back the other part of the year. The moron assisted have come to stay.

[togor]

The part you missed is this is moron assisted migration, not natural migration.

Natural migration is when the humming birds, ducks, and geese go one way part of the year and then go back the other part of the year. The moron assisted have come to stay.

Against the backdrop of thousands of years, the small reasons, moronic or not, are immaterial, lost in the noise.

People on the move from lower latitudes to higher ones all over the globe. It's just part of the Human Story. No need to think of it any other way.

[Johnny P]

Strange that the human migration pattern changes with the administration that is in office.

[togor]

Strange that the human migration pattern changes with the administration that is in office.

They don't. What's strange is thinking that it does. They were coming north before Trump, during Trump, and after Trump. And after Biden too.

Blowing off climate change is your idea, not mine. I'm just pointing out the obvious, that it comes with side effects, like a buttload of people headed north.

[Johnny P]

They don't. What's strange is thinking that it does. They were coming north before Trump, during Trump, and after Trump. And after Biden too.

Blowing off climate change is your idea, not mine. I'm just pointing out the obvious, that it comes with side effects, like a buttload of people headed north.

The part you are missing is that but buttload of people aren't necessarily coming from the south. It just happens to be the route they are taking to illegally enter the United States. Also, there has been a very sharp increase in illegals entering the southern U.S. border since Biden became president, and the Biden administration is trying to increase that.

Climate change has nothing to do with my idea. It is a naturally occurring phenomenon that goes one way and then the other. In the past 100 years it has risen approximately 1 degree F. Can you imagine how much it had to increase to melt the glacial ice cap off Indiana?

[togor]

I don't buy your interpretation of climate change, any more than the idea of having you perform brain surgery on a member of my family. These are not your fields of expertise. There is zero shame in that, and probably you did just fine in your chosen line of work. But your dismissal of climate change is your opinion, not a statement of fact.

I am confused about your remark about immigration. Are we or are we not (in your opinion) being overrun? I agree Haitians have reasons to leave before climate change started kicking in with more storms. But the point there is that the Caribbean for example keeps getting slammed and doesn't catch enough of a break to get back on its feet. That increases the emigration drive. This is how it plays out.

Look at the places in the world currently experiencing exceptional droughts, and then let us resume the conversation. If you are going to tell me "exceptional" weather is the new normal, then I will say exceptional immigration demand is the new normal too.

[lyman]

I don't buy your interpretation of climate change, any more than the idea of having you perform brain surgery on a member of my family. These are not your fields of expertise. There is zero shame in that, and probably you did just fine in your chosen line of work. But your dismissal of climate change is your opinion, not a statement of fact.

I am confused about your remark about immigration. Are we or are we not (in your opinion) being overrun? I agree Haitians have reasons to leave before climate change started kicking in with more storms. But the point there is that the Caribbean for example keeps getting slammed and doesn't catch enough of a break to get back on its feet. That increases the emigration drive. This is how it plays out.

Look at the places in the world currently experiencing exceptional droughts, and then let us resume the conversation. If you are going to tell me "exceptional" weather is the new normal, then I will say exceptional immigration demand is the new normal too.

are Haitian's leaving due to climate change, or just leaving due to corruption (despite of or part of the Clinton Foundation)

how may Dominican's are leaving? and since they share an Island, should it not be the same? storm related or not


ditto the Latin American and South American countries ,

[barretcreek]

What is year zero for climate change? What is the datum for reference. One of my hard drives has a photo of a 'cookie' from a Ponderosa cut live for a highway project nearby. 6-800 years old. It says we are coming off of a wetter than normal period.

Or to paraphrase, 'I'll believe in climate change when the people who talk the loudest park their private jets and take the train'.

I'd like to see some data relating to the solar minimum/maximum over the last thousand years for a start. I am also a lot more concerned about the deforestation of the Amazon basin as well as the mismanagement of the North American forests.

[RED]

Goodness gracious. Migration to the US has ZERO to do with climate change. It is all about backward and socialist failures in other countries. People want to live a better life and nowhere on planet Earth does the working class even come close to the US standard. A standard produced by democracy and capitalism.

What togor and his minions want is a complete dictatorship where the elite class totally enslaves the workers and establishes control of their lives from cradle to grave.

One more time: CLIMATE CHANGE HAS BEEN GOING ON FOR BILLIONS OF YEARS AND WILL CONTINUE FOREVER.