With apologies to RED

[barretcreek]

As your post about the voting irregularities has succumbed to the (ahem) 'outliers', I'm posting this here.

True the Vote has researched drop box videos in Wisconsin and tracked cell phones which were recorded photographing ballot dumps. The origin of the data and methodology is discussed in the article.

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/election-watchdog-finds-137500-ballots-unlawfully-trafficked-wisconsin

[togor]

So in Wisconsin in 2020

You have to show ID electronically to get a ballot mailed to you. They did have a web site that made this process accessible to anyone regardless of voter preference.

The voter has to sign, and then someone else has to countersign, the outside of the envelope. So if someone was countersigning (with a scribble) 100's of envelopes, that would be a thing that gets noticed, and would have been caught. Remember, the Trump campaign went up one side and down the other of Milwaukee and Dane Counties, and came away empty.

Anyways, back to the envelopes.

The complaint is that people were providing a delivery service for absentee ballots, and that supposedly this amounts to catastrophic fraud.

If we can apply a little common sense here....

My wife and I fill out our absentee ballots. Sent to us upon request by the state, specific to our precinct. We fill them out, and seal/countersign the envelopes. We now have a choice:

1) put a stamp on them and give the to the post office

2) put them in a drop box

My wife is going to town. On the way, she passes the town hall, which has a drop box outside the door.

The argument in the blog post is that if she carries MY ballot and puts it in the drop box, it is voter fraud. However, if we put stamps on them both and she carries them to the post office, she is just mailing two envelopes, which is OK.

Does anyone remember the problems the Post Office was having in 2020?

Everyone, and I mean everyone, knows the score here. Ever since Obama got elected, the right is freaked out to varying degrees about the results that elections can produce, and is throwing more bureaucracy and more horsesh*t rules at elections. We also know it won't stop so long as the election results are not what they want. It has nothing to do with the actual practice of democracy and everything to do with wanting only certain people to have political power. There is not a single person reading this that doesn't know that this is the truth of the matter, underneath it all, and who understands that this truth sounds bad, so these lies have to be invented. And as more than a few people in history have observed, if you tell a lie repeatedly, it becomes indistinguishable from the truth.

[lyman]

So in Wisconsin in 2020

You have to show ID electronically to get a ballot mailed to you. They did have a web site that made this process accessible to anyone regardless of voter preference.

The voter has to sign, and then someone else has to countersign, the outside of the envelope. So if someone was countersigning (with a scribble) 100's of envelopes, that would be a thing that gets noticed, and would have been caught. Remember, the Trump campaign went up one side and down the other of Milwaukee and Dane Counties, and came away empty.

Anyways, back to the envelopes.

The complaint is that people were providing a delivery service for absentee ballots, and that supposedly this amounts to catastrophic fraud.

If we can apply a little common sense here....

My wife and I fill out our absentee ballots. Sent to us upon request by the state, specific to our precinct. We fill them out, and seal/countersign the envelopes. We now have a choice:

1) put a stamp on them and give the to the post office

2) put them in a drop box

My wife is going to town. On the way, she passes the town hall, which has a drop box outside the door.

The argument in the blog post is that if she carries MY ballot and puts it in the drop box, it is voter fraud. However, if we put stamps on them both and she carries them to the post office, she is just mailing two envelopes, which is OK.

Does anyone remember the problems the Post Office was having in 2020?

Everyone, and I mean everyone, knows the score here. Ever since Obama got elected, the right is freaked out to varying degrees about the results that elections can produce, and is throwing more bureaucracy and more horsesh*t rules at elections. We also know it won't stop so long as the election results are not what they want. It has nothing to do with the actual practice of democracy and everything to do with wanting only certain people to have political power. There is not a single person reading this that doesn't know that this is the truth of the matter, underneath it all, and who understands that this truth sounds bad, so these lies have to be invented. And as more than a few people in history have observed, if you tell a lie repeatedly, it becomes indistinguishable from the truth.

examples of the bolded part??

[togor]

examples of the bolded part??

Witness the sad saga of Michael Gableman's wayward quest in Wisconsin to prove that somehow the 2020 election isn't good.

Or for that matter the OP's blog post.

Explain to me why it's fraud if my wife drops both our absentee ballots in the drop box at the town hall, but not into a USPS drop box, which has nowhere near the security rules.

Seriously--explain that!

[bruce]

Fraud is in the politics. Once upon a time the fbi was detailed along with the obama justice department to investigate a candidate for the presidency who was running against the demokrat candidate who had served as the vp under obama and heir assumptive of the presidency after the formalities of voting in 2016. Guess it is not a big deal for demokrats to game the system, use the powers of government to attack opponents, etc., etc., etc., as long as (of course) those gaming the system are left-wing liberal demokrats. If that be the case, the msm and other fifth columnists consider all fair as they seek to advance their social/political agenda. Of course all their nominated appointees to any and all positions are to be given kid glove sympathetic exams with soft-ball questions. Anything else would be fraudulent. Right? Sincerely. bruce.

[lyman]

Witness the sad saga of Michael Gableman's wayward quest in Wisconsin to prove that somehow the 2020 election isn't good.

Or for that matter the OP's blog post.

Explain to me why it's fraud if my wife drops both our absentee ballots in the drop box at the town hall, but not into a USPS drop box, which has nowhere near the security rules.

Seriously--explain that!

it's not, unless you want to take it down to tiny nuts and bolts, since a a married couple she (he?) can do for you as you can for your spouse,

but what if the local church or community organizers have the neighborhood come in and vote, and all the ballots are dropped off by some random worker?

news blurb on the radio this morning mentioned 130,000+ potential votes that were the issue,
are you saying that it was actually 65K + spouses dropping off ballots?

[Allen]

Only the democrats want the drop boxes.

That should tell ANYONE that fraud is involved. If the voting was fair/legal/non-corrupt then there would be no reason for opposition.

People should vote by their SS#. People should only be allowed ONE SS# and only legal citizens should have a SS#.

[Roadkingtrax]

Election day should be a federal holiday.

[Major Tom]

Delaware Joe said "I cannot guarantee the 2022 elections will be legitimate." That tells it all! Past, present and future.

[lyman]

Election day should be a federal holiday.

why?

[togor]

it's not, unless you want to take it down to tiny nuts and bolts, since a a married couple she (he?) can do for you as you can for your spouse,

but what if the local church or community organizers have the neighborhood come in and vote, and all the ballots are dropped off by some random worker?

news blurb on the radio this morning mentioned 130,000+ potential votes that were the issue,
are you saying that it was actually 65K + spouses dropping off ballots?

Read the link in the OP.

They are saying that even if the ballots themselves are okay, that they were dropped off in bulk it is wrong, and the ballots shouldn't count. However: HAD THOSE BALLOTS BEEN MAILED different rules apply. Then it's just mailing envelopes.

Now you are saying spouse, kids, ought to be okay. But you can't prove they agree with you.

Again, THE BALLOTS WERE FINE. NOBODY IS DISPUTING THIS.

Simplest explanation is that it's just a chickensh*t rule to suppress votes that these people don't like.

[RED]

Witness the sad saga of Michael Gableman's wayward quest in Wisconsin to prove that somehow the 2020 election isn't good.

Or for that matter the OP's blog post.

Explain to me why it's fraud if my wife drops both our absentee ballots in the drop box at the town hall, but not into a USPS drop box, which has nowhere near the security rules.

Seriously--explain that!

How does anybody know it is you and your wife without having to present a ID.

Nobody should ever, ever, EVER, be allowed to cast a ballot without a firm ID. Any view otherwise is stupid..

[togor]

RED:

In Wisconsin you have to show an ID to get a ballot. True even if requesting one absentee online, because you have to upload it.

Then you have to sign for it at the polling place if in person, or on the envelope if absentee. And they keep those signatures.

So once the envelope is sealed and signed, it should be good, right?

Well not so fast!

That's true if you mail it via USPS. You could put it in your company's outgoing mail and nobody would care. And how many hands does it pass through on it's journey through USPS to the elections office? Again, nobody cares.

But...if that same envelope bypasses USPS and goes to the elections drop box, then suddenly the hands that touch it matter enormously!!

But why that makes a difference, nobody can say.

Remember, in either path, USPS or drop box, the ballot envelope is locked away until election day. In Wisconsin they don't open them early. Republicans don't want this. Ask them why. But then they check that everything is in order, that you haven't voted also in person, etc., and if everything checks out, they run the ballot through the machine.

The pattern in Wisconsin is over a decade old. Every time the Republicans lose a statewide election, they claim something is wrong with voting and they push for more restrictions. Invariably they write restrictions that in their view will tilt the outcome in their direction. But then every time, the people look at the law, and believe it or not, find a way to vote. And Republicans lose again, and the cycle repeats. The repeat of this cycle is what you're hearing about now--absentee ballots were used in heavily Democratic precincts, so let's come up with some garbage reason why this is bad. Same old stupid sh*t over and over.

If you wonder why I'm negative on the GOP, no small amount of it is because their politicians in my state are so f*cking dumb as to beggar all belief. I am told Indiana does not have the same problem. But up here, holy cow.

How about this: instead of nominating candidates that are complete crap to lose against mediocre Democrats, then proposing a fresh raft of chickensh*t election laws, how about the Wisconsin GOP nominate decent candidates who can win easily because they're just that good.

Nobody who has ever heard Senator Ron Johnson speak can deny that he is a complete f*cktard. Robin Vos, Scott Walker....these people are complete idiots.

[togor]

Ron Johnson has changed up his campaign this time around. Previous two times he ran as the genial grandfather, businessman (he married in but never mind), and civic-minded fellow with healthy Midwestern values, definitely GOP-lite. This time he's out of the gate as the angry anti-vax, Trumpian-big-lie nutjob. A real departure from his previous strategy. The Democratic field is crowded, but some of them appear sane and sensible compared to Senator Ron.