A different take

[barretcreek]

https://thegrayzone.com/2022/04/15/us-eu-sacrificing-ukraine-to-weaken-russia-fmr-nato-adviser/

Notice the reference to the Minsk Agreement which the West is brushing aside. Not to justify Putin's actions, just saying stick to your word.

[dryheat]

I was kind of wondering about that. Sort of a science experiment.

[togor]

A Swiss guy with an opinion. So what? The Swiss live in a world made safe by the blood of others.

It's painful to watch Ukraine fight this war as the underdog, no doubt about it. But the alternative that lies below the surface for some--let Russia beat them--is no path to peace. Because Russia won't stop until they lose, and eventually NATO article 5 would kick in. Oh sure there are those in the USA (and some here I think) who would like to see Putin run the table because somehow or another they think that would be good for them. Poor misguided souls.

The other alternative is for NATO to get in there and actively help the Ukrainians kick the sh*t out of the Russians. There is risks to that, but if the war starts to go south for Ukraine, it may be necessary. Because Russia won't stop until they lose. Or run out of wins, and they are a long way from that.

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https://thegrayzone.com/2022/04/15/u...-nato-adviser/

Notice the reference to the Minsk Agreement which the West is brushing aside. Not to justify Putin's actions, just saying stick to your word.

Putin wipes his ass with the Minsk agreement, as binding on Russia in any way.

[dogtag]

Weakening Russia to what end ? The sanctions imposed on Russia are
hurting us far more than they are her. The main effect of the sanctions
seems to be turning the Russian people who were against the war to
begin with to now show their support for Putin.
Zelensky has not only destroyed his own country, he's turned an organized
trading world into utter chaos with the specter of a war where nobody wins.

[Sandpebble]

Weakening Russia to what end ? The sanctions imposed on Russia are
hurting us far more than they are her. The main effect of the sanctions
seems to be turning the Russian people who were against the war to
begin with to now show their support for Putin.
Zelensky has not only destroyed his own country, he's turned an organized
trading world into utter chaos with the specter of a war where nobody wins.

I think referring to Russia as "her" is a very telling statement ... as in " Mother Russia " DT ?

[togor]

I think referring to Russia as "her" is a very telling statement ... as in " Mother Russia " DT ?

Welcome back!

[togor]

Weakening Russia to what end ? The sanctions imposed on Russia are
hurting us far more than they are her. The main effect of the sanctions
seems to be turning the Russian people who were against the war to
begin with to now show their support for Putin.
Zelensky has not only destroyed his own country, he's turned an organized
trading world into utter chaos with the specter of a war where nobody wins.

DT their own central banker has stated that the sh*t is about to hit the fan as imported components disappear from stockrooms. Meanwhile how have sanctions "hurt you far more"?

Putin wants America out of his way--his gain in the world comes at our expense. He's playing on your feelings of insecurity regarding homosexuality to manipulate you.

[lyman]

I think referring to Russia as "her" is a very telling statement ... as in " Mother Russia " DT ?

telling in what way, that reads history?

it's been called that for ages, and not always by natives

ditto Germany being called the Fatherland,

[Sandpebble]

I never would have referred to Russia as her , would you ? . And you are correct it has been called that for ages .

Those who use the term that aren't native are very often from England ... and how many non Germans refer to it as the Fatherland ?

[lyman]

I never would have referred to Russia as her , would you ? . And you are correct it has been called that for ages .

Those who use the term that aren't native are very often from England ... and how many non Germans refer to it as the Fatherland ?

probably, in jest, just like calling Germany the Fatherland,

remember tho, the English are a monarchy and the monarchs are all related, including the Czars,

it's at old world term(s), we Americans look at things differently, (except for those that are old world envious)


as an Anglophile I have used both,
and I have a friend who is a fellow SAR member, of German ancestry, that has as well

tho to be honest, it is mostly said as Mother Russia

[barretcreek]

tho to be honest, it is mostly said as Mother Russia[/QUOTE]

Rodina, I believe.