Better to have abortion riots now rather than later ...

[dogtag]

Far better to keep the democrat frenzied riots as far away
from the November elections as possible. The official decision
is due in a couple of months by which time the rioters will have
tired themselves out and gone back home to rest and gorge
on Ho-hos and Twinkies.
With that in mind, maybe the leaker shot itself in the foot.

[togor]

It's possible that was the reason for the leak by a conservative clerk.

Also, to prevent backsliding in case one of the extremists was prone to a moment of sanity.

Taking away rights from Americans with one-sided reasoning that is utterly dismissive of the other side's point of view invites legal payback. Just remember: Gun owners are an even smaller minority than women.

[Johnny P]

Are all women abortion rights activists? All gun owners aren't pro-gun.

[togor]

Are all women abortion rights activists? All gun owners aren't pro-gun.

What fraction of Americans own firearms? What fraction supports abortion?

Or more to the point,

What fraction of Americans wants to abolish all gun laws AND all abortions?

And would you place yourself in that fraction?

Right now that fraction is playing offense. But it may not always be so. And there is the old saying,

What goes around, comes around.

[lyman]

why keep saying it was a GOP leak?

much more plausible that a left leaning clerk for a left leaning Justice did the leaking

[Roadkingtrax]

Sounds like it's beyond a leak. Never put it in writing.

[dryheat]

The problem with abortion is, the people who should get them don't and the smart people who we wish would have kids get them. But mostly I'm all for it. Just like the mini me WWII that we're having today, I can't believe we are discussing abortion at this level again. Actually, I don't discuss it much. Art hits the nail on the head. But I'm sure this will be the next, "they stole the election". I'm conservative and I voted for the other guy but I don't like the way this is going. Leave abortion alone, it was working just fine albeit not as well as I think it should.

[barretcreek]

From my reading the draft takes the decision in Roe back to what it should have been: a fine brush applying paint where needed but it ended up being a power sprayer covering stuff it should not have. So let the People's Dem Rep of Massachusetts mandate abortion of every fetus if that's what they want while Nebraska and Montana can leave it up to the mother and whom ever she confides in. America flourishes and PDR Mass depopulates and returns to Mother England as the Barony of Dogtag.

[dogtag]

I'd bet that most people including Women care more about inflation than abortion.

[blackhawknj]

As a Right to Lifer I note that kicking it back to the states does not address the fundamental of fetal personhood. The argument for Jim Crow and Separate but Equal was that it was a States Rights issue, the argument of the Civil Rights Movement was that rights belonged to the person and could not be restricted by geography. And the pro-abortion crowd have never advocated the Man's Right to Choose.

[dogtag]

When it comes to a choice - to abort or not. Maybe the baby should be consulted.
After viewing the would be parents, some babies might choose to be aborted.

[RED]

The entire thing was outlined in a song written by Loretta Lynn.

I Have The Pill

You wined me and dined me
When I was your girl
Promised if I'd be your wife
You'd show me the world
But all I've seen of this old world
Is a bed and a doctor bill
I'm tearin' down your brooder house
'Cause now I've got the pill
All these years I've stayed at home
While you had all your fun
And every year that's gone by
Another baby's come
There's a gonna be some changes made
Right here on nursery hill
You've set this chicken your last time
'Cause now I've got the pill

This old maternity dress I've got
Is goin' in the garbage
The clothes I'm wearin' from now on
Won't take up so much yardage
Miniskirts, hot pants and a few little fancy frills
Yeah I'm makin' up for all those years
Since I've got the pill

I'm tired of all your crowin'
How you and your hens play
While holdin' a couple in my arms
Another's on the way
This chicken's done tore up her nest
And I'm ready to make a deal
And ya can't afford to turn it down
'Cause you know I've got the pill

This incubator is overused
Because you've kept it filled
The feelin' good comes easy now
Since I've got the pill
It's gettin' dark it's roostin' time
Tonight's too good to be real
Oh, but daddy don't you worry none
'Cause mama's got the pill
Oh, daddy don't you worry none
'Cause mama's got the pill
Source

Now they have a lot of things including the morning after pill. I suspect most of the pro murder crowd has already had abortions and refuse to think anything they did was not OK.

[blackhawknj]

I like to quote the words of the late Professor Elizabeth Fox-Genovese:
"By declaring 'reproductive freedom' to be women's exclusive right, it dismisses the claims of men and cancels their obligations to the next generation."
And it has given us a generation-several generations-of men whose attitude towards fatherhood is best summed up by the one "deadbeat dad" interviewed by Newsweek
in 1992, who, when asked what sort of relationship he expected to have with his sons if he refused to pay child support, replied:
"None."
And I doubt if all the women living off welfare and using their children as "meal tickets" have any sympathy for Loretta Lynn' s sentiments.

[Johnny P]

What fraction of Americans own firearms? What fraction supports abortion?

Or more to the point,

What fraction of Americans wants to abolish all gun laws AND all abortions?

And would you place yourself in that fraction?

Right now that fraction is playing offense. But it may not always be so. And there is the old saying,

What goes around, comes around.

You ask the question so I suppose you think you have an answer? Fill us in with your superior knowledge.

Old sayings are just that, old sayings.

[togor]

You ask the question so I suppose you think you have an answer? Fill us in with your superior knowledge.

Old sayings are just that, old sayings.

The old sayings are remembered when they capture a truth. The Bible, a book you may or may not occasionally read, is full of them. Galatians 6:7 says more or less the same thing.

I'll guess that it's a distinct minority that wants either of these things, no gun laws and no abortions--PERIOD--BUT with a strong correlation between the two positions right now. And both are abundantly represented here. And this forum is fairly radical compared to the population at large. Moderates catch a lot of sh*t here.

The bottom line is, the GOP cannot claim to be the party that favors individual liberty, on principle. Not when they go to the mat to take away rights from women, with an attitude of "screw your rights but you better not touch mine!" And no mistake, the abortion war is far from over. The troops will not be discharged! Battles to come are getting a national abortion ban and criminalization of the woman's own role in terminating the pregnancy.

Don't believe me? Let's put it to the forum:

Will anyone cheering the reversal of Roe publicly admit to NOT wanting a national law, or prosecutions of women if necessary?

Scorn me if you like but don't say I'm wrong until someone here brings the necessary proof.