Refugees get to see more of the world than I have

[lyman]

It is still weather not climate change. While the West is drying up the midwest is being flooded by downpours. It is not a lack of water that is the problem, where it is, is the problem. This has been going on since history has been recorded. Our progressives seem to believe that only man can cause droughts and climate change. The truth is it has been going on forever. 11,000 years ago, a sudden, dramatic cold front came along and lasted the next 100 years. Go ahead and blame that one on hair spray and SUV?s.

we have data, and we have history (in the form of the surrounding area,, dry beds, canyons etc) that tell us how an area was,


then add technology, drill this, dam up that, thinking we can populate an area


so X many millions move into an area that has a known rainfall, of X inches a year, and has been dry since the last ice age, and we blame climate change,,,

just maybe the problem is not the climate that is changing,,,

[Allen]

Millions upon millions of people moving to and living in an already arid area didn't help. Now, they suddenly can't understand why they can't fill their pools and water their lawns in the desert.

Meanwhile, Colorado got hit with a snowstorm just today.

https://www.ksn.com/weather/weather-...ion%20reported.

[dryheat]

Millions upon millions of people moving to and living in an already arid area didn't help. Now, they suddenly can't understand why they can't fill their pools and water their lawns in the desert.

Meanwhile, Colorado got hit with a snowstorm just today.
https://www.ksn.com/weather/weather-...ion%20reported.

Hard to believe.
The wet snow weighed down tree branches and sent them toppling onto power lines, the KUSA television station reported. When has business ever been concerned with the outcome of their development?


Red does a good job of making a statement. Yesterdays little snow storm or the last 100 yrs. of weather doesn't a climate change make. We have "something going on". Can we stop it?
Well, we should try. Anyone against that? Or just sit on our asses and throw up our hands and say, there's nothing we can do. Does that sound like something a real man would do? Does that sound like something John Wayne would do? Luckily, there are a bunch of kids who don't feel that way. Are they misguided? Yeah, probably a little. Well, most of them, but there are some with slightly bigger brains that can keep a thought for more than ten minutes.
Those kids might make a difference.
Arizona has the largest Ponderosa Pine forest in the world. Some scientist said, those (beautiful) pines are there because of (what?!) climate change. It got cold enough. Now those days are coming to a close. But 20K yrs. ago, it was a nicer cleaner world. Now, it's a nasty stinking, polluted world (full of really nice people). That complicates it.

[Allen]

The polar caps use to be tropical climates.

Overall weather cycles but in the long haul the Earth seems to be following the same path as Mars. Mars 400-500 million (maybe that was billions) of years ago would have been known as the blue planet because it was covered entirely with water---just like the earth was long ago. Now it is all dried up.

So far no signs of life present nor past has been discovered there that could have caused it, not even the skeletal remains of farting cows.

[dryheat]

Mars is interesting and I like all this kind of stuff. It had water very shortly after it was assembled, but it didn't last more than a one billion years. It was just almost big enough to make a go of it, but relatively speaking it was kind of a runt of a planet. It didn't have enough of a molten core to generate the power to keep a good magnetic field. That's the field that deflects all the bad stuff that gets launched at us from the sun and other places. Earth has a great magnetic field and you can watch it in action when you see the Northern Lights (easier to spell than aroura Borialis). So no magnetic field. No protection and all the atmosphere gets "blown away" for a simple term. That's kind of what happened, but I'm not someone you want to refer to for facts about science.