Russia's army could COLLAPSE amid huge losses

[rayg]

I believe even if Putin wins...It may be an on going gorilla war by the Ukraine's which will continue to cost Russia big time in troops and equipment!

Russia's army could COLLAPSE amid huge losses of more cost and troops - Maybe Putin believes it is a 'price worth paying' for victory in Ukraine, confidential UK report says

The report is a secretive analysis of Putin's brutal on-going invasion of Ukraine
It suggests Moscow's huge troop losses could lead to the collapse of its armies

Despite losing more than 30,000 troops, report says Putin sees these losses as acceptable in order to achieve a 'victory' in Ukraine's eastern Donbas region

Meanwhile, Russian forces continued efforts to capture city of Sievierodonetsk
City is the last pocket of Ukrainian government control in Luhansk province


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ovc&cri=Ow7-HP

[Allen]

People wise I don't see where 30,000 troops would hurt them that much. Surely as large and populated as Russia is they have many times this many that's not at the Ukraine area. Loss of generals--the same, they seem to have lot of them.

Equipment wise may be another story. From what I gather, they never throw anything away. Perhaps a lot of their tanks, planes and other are just old/obsolete and for show and parts.

In reality they could have gone into the Ukraine full force and wiped them out in a couple of days. Obviously they underestimated them and now can't do that.

Nukes. We know they have them. How strong, how many and how reliable they are who really knows but they do have them but I feel that the Russians know that if they use nukes they will receive nukes. Every major country has them and some will launch them on Russia if the Ukraine is hit. After all, if it comes to this WW3 will have already begun. You can bet many are aimed at them as we speak.

My 2 cents are in the pot now.

[dogtag]

If his army collapses he'll resort to tactical Nukes.
He is not going to accept defeat.
My guess is he'll concentrate his efforts down South in order
to control sea access - which he has already achieved, and
easy access to the Crimea and his fleet.
Ukraine cannot export or import without Russian OK.
With that he has Zelensky by the short and curlies.

[togor]

DT nobody including you knows what Putin will do. According to my Russian ex-pat friend, Allen is correct--the military cares much more about equipment and pleasing the political leadership than casualties.

"Cargo 200" is a term coined by the Russians in the Afghanistan war for transport of their dead, and you see it show up in their own military slang, in prisoner interviews and radio intercepts.

The war has gone on long enough now that I believe the Western capitols have contingency plans laid out for NBC weapon use by the Russians.

I disagree with DT's notion however that if the Russians threaten NBC use, or go that far, that we and Europe should go hide and give Putin what he wants.

Flinching in the face of Evil looked bad in Uvalde, right? It would be that much worse to do so in Ukraine. We live in an age when evil is afoot and needs to be fought. It's as simple as that. Putin does not wish us well. Xi does not wish us well. They mean to take what we have for themselves. I don't know why that is a difficult concept.

[dogtag]

No, I don't know, that's why I "Guessed". My guess is as good as anybody else's guess.
The Ukraine has always been Russian, so it's basically a Civil War. If Putin were to
employ tactical nukes it would be within Ukraine in which case I'd take another Guess
that Nato would not interfere as that would up the ante ten fold.

[Allen]

Poot'n has said that if the NATO countries continue to supply the Ukraine with advanced weapons he would nuke them as well. That's why I said many missiles including nukes are probably aimed at them right now. If he launches missiles toward the "West" there may not be time to retaliate otherwise.

My guess is we and others have subs nearby, out of sight and on standby, locked and loaded.

[togor]

No, I don't know, that's why I "Guessed". My guess is as good as anybody else's guess.
The Ukraine has always been Russian, so it's basically a Civil War. If Putin were to
employ tactical nukes it would be within Ukraine in which case I'd take another Guess
that Nato would not interfere as that would up the ante ten fold.

Ukraine stopped being Russia when Russia agreed to borders that made it a different country. They have a similar language, but that is common in Europe.

So it's not a civil war. It's one country invading another to take land. Just call it what it is instead of pretending it is something else.

[rayg]

Agree!

[bruce]

Russia is not the once upon a time evil empire of ussr. Ukraine is not a once upon a nightmare captive state of the long dead evil empire. Very happily, mr. p is not stalin or even khrushchev. And most happily Zelinsky has more than matched mr. p in willingness to fight. What is more, he has out led mr. p from day one. It is possible that Germany, France and Italy will try to do a deal w/ mr. p, like was done long ago w/ hitler. It will buy them time but it will not save them. Most likely, the U.S., Britian and other like minded nations will keep Ukraine in the fight with the weapons, guns, equipment needed to put teeth into the Ukranian bear trap. Mr. p has got his neck out b/c he thought Ukraine was going to be about like a military parade. He has very helpfully given the West an ideal way to castrate him and his delusions of grandure. The West holds a knife b/c mr. p is going to get much more than a close shave. When this is over, he will be lucky to be alive. He will not remain in power. No one least of all russians have any respect for a nut with no nuts. Sincerely. bruce.

[Vern Humphrey]

A quick check on the Internet shows Russia has a population of 145,805,944. That's less than half the population of the United States. So at this point in the war, they have sustained slightly more casualties than the United States did in the entire Viet Nam war. In only about 9 weeks of fighting.

[togor]

A quick check on the Internet shows Russia has a population of 145,805,944. That's less than half the population of the United States. So at this point in the war, they have sustained slightly more casualties than the United States did in the entire Viet Nam war. In only about 9 weeks of fighting.

To the extent Russia has hippies who would want to protest the war, the threat of imprisonment keeps that from happening. Nonetheless public opinion can't be totally ignored. They're being careful now about throwing the one-year conscripts into the maelstrom, sticking with volunteers, or in their terminology, people who signed "the contract". Recently they just dropped the upper age limit (was 40) on the age of volunteers with no prior military experience.

Is a 45 year old volunteer with no prior military experience the right tool for the job? In some ways I think old guys might be better. But if recklessness is required, maybe not. By the time someone is 45 they've usually concluded that they won't live forever.