Millions of new gun buyers aren't buying the grabbers crap ...

[dogtag]

they're buying guns instead. Biden's plea to ban guns in his speech tonight
seems likely to fall on deaf ears. People have finally figured out that the
Government isn't going to protect them. The picture of twenty Cops standing
idly by while kids were being slaughtered may have triggered the light bulb.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/washington-secrets/gun-sales-over-1-million-for-34-straight-months

[togor]

It cuts both ways though.

The Good Guys With Guns twiddled away while people bled out.

Both sides had arguments based on the police doing their jobs.

A new question is....how easy is too easy for gun purchases by people who mean to do wrong?

Would a "free delivery to your mass shooting site" offer be over the line?

[lyman]

It cuts both ways though.

The Good Guys With Guns twiddled away while people bled out.

Both sides had arguments based on the police doing their jobs.

A new question is....how easy is too easy for gun purchases by people who mean to do wrong?

Would a "free delivery to your mass shooting site" offer be over the line?

word salad,


would it not be better to have the cops,, who did not go thru a background check and buy the guns like you an I would, do the job they are contracted for?
and do the required training, including some training on recognize threats and react?


and how about all those flags that are suddenly raised after the fact actually be looked at and acted on, if needed, before the fact,



and why are liberals so violent?

[togor]

Your mishmash has a few kernels of sense in it but the usual incomprehension too.

Complacency at multiple points let Uvalde go down as it did.

But hindsight is 20/20, and for all the hoopla these incidents are rare enough, and the country is big enough, where it's easy for people to let down their guard.

So the argument is staying out there....guns keep....ammo keeps.....is the NICS up to the job or should there be a slower process?

[jjrothWA]

I have a state CPL that is supposed to get past the NICS check.

With the state allowing recreational weed, ad the STATE police not using the proper fingerprint list. I get checked.

I thought that being a compatriot of Hunter Biden, that would be a breeze.

[lyman]

Your mishmash has a few kernels of sense in it but the usual incomprehension too.

Complacency at multiple points let Uvalde go down as it did.

But hindsight is 20/20, and for all the hoopla these incidents are rare enough, and the country is big enough, where it's easy for people to let down their guard.

So the argument is staying out there....guns keep....ammo keeps.....is the NICS up to the job or should there be a slower process?

NICS does what it is supposed to do,

however NICS is dependent on the State and Fed (and local) Agencies inputting the correct data in the system,

[JohnMOhio]

"New gun buyers." Does that mean buyers purchasing new guns? Or....First Time buyers. It can be deceiving depending on what you want to convey to the readers. First time buyer we know can purchase new or used firearms. The info does not indicate type of firearm. Handgun, rifle, shotgun? We can only hope that they are first time buyers and that may help "our side" of the argument regarding "gun control" legislation. Especially if the purchaser pays an amount such as $1,500 for a firearm and the government buy back is $100 debit card.

Then we take into account that the government now wants to increase you taxes in order to pay the buy back amounts.

Just thinking out loud to myself.

[lyman]

"New gun buyers." Does that mean buyers purchasing new guns? Or....First Time buyers. It can be deceiving depending on what you want to convey to the readers. First time buyer we know can purchase new or used firearms. The info does not indicate type of firearm. Handgun, rifle, shotgun? We can only hope that they are first time buyers and that may help "our side" of the argument regarding "gun control" legislation. Especially if the purchaser pays an amount such as $1,500 for a firearm and the government buy back is $100 debit card.

Then we take into account that the government now wants to increase you taxes in order to pay the buy back amounts.

Just thinking out loud to myself.

new gun buyers as in new to guns, is usually how that is portrayed,

shotguns and inexpensive semi auto handguns were the fastest selling during the plandemic,

I sold a Smith SD9VE to a new buyer (his first firearm, ) yesterday

[togor]

NICS does what it is supposed to do,

however NICS is dependent on the State and Fed (and local) Agencies inputting the correct data in the system,

You're right--NICS is does what it was built to do--give an answer fast, and not connect any dots.

And yet the Tulsa shooter passed a NICS check 3 hours before he went to the doctor. So the question is less whether NICS functions as designed (it does), but rather if it is the right tool for the job.

I took a trip through the looking glass recently, dealing with anti-gunners in a comments section. The usual "nobody ever needs a AR15" type stuff, "repeal the 2nd Amendment". That stuff is pretty easy to knock down.

I have noticed though that the hard core pros and antis have one thing in common:

They both want to lump all gun owners in the same pot.

Hard core pro-gun folks insist all gunners should think like they do, or they are disloyal to the 2A.

Hard core anti-gunners think all gun owners are defectives, with maaaybe a small exemption for grampaw and his shotgun.

[JOHN COOK]

Having been in law enforcement I'll ask this question. Does the NICS also expand its criminal background check into the NCIS system. That is the National Crime Information Center, which any law enforcement agency can enter warrants for wanted persons also stolen items that can be identified via serial number or other identifiable descriptions. I personally have extradited subjects from two states where they were arrested that my department had outstanding warrants in NCIC. We were contacted via teletype and advised where they were and who to contact. Its my understanding the information stays in the system until the originating agency removes same. It will also show pass arrest convictions. FWIW

john in SC

[lyman]

You're right--NICS is does what it was built to do--give an answer fast, and not connect any dots.

And yet the Tulsa shooter passed a NICS check 3 hours before he went to the doctor. So the question is less whether NICS functions as designed (it does), but rather if it is the right tool for the job.

I took a trip through the looking glass recently, dealing with anti-gunners in a comments section. The usual "nobody ever needs a AR15" type stuff, "repeal the 2nd Amendment". That stuff is pretty easy to knock down.

I have noticed though that the hard core pros and antis have one thing in common:

They both want to lump all gun owners in the same pot.

Hard core pro-gun folks insist all gunners should think like they do, or they are disloyal to the 2A.

Hard core anti-gunners think all gun owners are defectives, with maaaybe a small exemption for grampaw and his shotgun.

in order for those dots to be connected, they would have to be in the NICS system,

social media is not tied in,

one of the reasons Va is a Point of Contact state is that they, VA , did not have faith in the Mental Illness part of the Fed system, so they went with their own,

better or worse, I do not know, but they (VA) tap into local and state Mental Health as well as Fed level,


if you continue to paint all as black or white, 1 or 0, then you will continue to be disappointed, since the world does not work that way