Speakers currently on TV selling idea that guns are the problem

[JohnMOhio]

I have been listening to these people speak and something just is not right. The speakers just do not match their status as an average person. At least not from what I have been exposed to in the city where I grew up. The pattern of speech indicates many of them are college educated. It is the same speech that guns are the problem. The other end of the spectrum is that it is also due to white supremacy. It seems to me that there is more behind these gatherings than just "gun control" movements.

Do any of my fellow posters have an opinion on this or see something different happening in our society. Yes, there is much verbal actions going on indicating a socialism movement and attempts to pass laws boarding on the social movement.

Just now, the speaker says gun violence is caused by social injustice. If it is injustice, the injustice is on the part of the victim. Why not pass a law, use a gun in a crime, regardless of it was fired or not, minimum sentence of 20 years and to be served consecutively not concurrently with any other conviction.

[Allen]

Why not pass a law, use a gun in a crime, regardless of it was fired or not, minimum sentence of 20 years and to be served consecutively not concurrently with any other conviction.

Agree with your concerns but why single out the gun ???? This is the way the liberals and media want you to feel. A crime is a crime. You can kill or harm someone with a knife, car, rock, brick, throw a window pane like a frisbee, drown someone, throw someone out a window, poison them, or use your bare hands. Granted, in most cases a gun is more convenient and effective but why single it out? This makes it look like you agree that guns are the problem. Plus, of all things mentioned above only the gun is supported by a constitutional right to own THAT SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED. You have no constitutional rights whatsoever to own a brick.

We have laws on the books for crime. The last thing we need are more laws when the existing ones aren't being enforced. Those who aren't following through are just as guilty as those doing the shooting or harm in the first place especially the judges.

[JimF]

As I?ve said MANY TIMES in the past, . . .

?We don?t have a ?gun? problem in this country . . . . .we have a ?people? problem!

[togor]

People with guns. It's not dogs, cats and birds pulling these triggers.

And yet the idea of admitting that some people should be kept away from firearms is taboo.

It's okay to say some people shouldn't be allowed to drive a car.

It's okay to say some people better stay sober, better be able to pass a drug test.

But not okay to have rules about who can have firearms. Because rules like that, so it is said, are a slippery slope to total ban and confiscation.

So instead we get this idea that as far as guns go, humanity has to fix itself. Whereas for any other device that can be misused,it's uncontroversial to require qualified access. For everything else we accept the idea that humanity has flaws CANNOT BE COUNTED ON TO FIX ITSELF.

The thing is, when one is unwilling to tackle the "people + guns" problem on the people side, that only leaves it as a gun problem. Like the banners say.

[JohnMOhio]

As you so said Togor, a gun is only the means chosen to kill as it is the most convenient if it is available from what I believe you were alluding to. As I see it, the laws already are on the books that state Killing is a crime. Possession of a firearm by a fellow is prohibited. However, I believe I have heard on a news broadcast of two recent incidents that the suspect was a felon with a firearm that committed the murders. As we all know, a criminal does not respect the law and that is why they are labeled a criminal.

What I was also getting at, that those folks speaking at this "rally" in DC did not in my opinion seem to have written the speeches they were giving. And if you looked more closely, there were a lot of Blue T shirts in the crowd. I suspect they were made sometime in advance and then either given out to the crowd or sold to them. Also those speaking were from various parts of the USA. Just my observations.

[lyman]

People with guns. It's not dogs, cats and birds pulling these triggers.

And yet the idea of admitting that some people should be kept away from firearms is taboo.

It's okay to say some people shouldn't be allowed to drive a car.

It's okay to say some people better stay sober, better be able to pass a drug test.

But not okay to have rules about who can have firearms. Because rules like that, so it is said, are a slippery slope to total ban and confiscation.

So instead we get this idea that as far as guns go, humanity has to fix itself. Whereas for any other device that can be misused,it's uncontroversial to require qualified access. For everything else we accept the idea that humanity has flaws CANNOT BE COUNTED ON TO FIX ITSELF.

The thing is, when one is unwilling to tackle the "people + guns" problem on the people side, that only leaves it as a gun problem. Like the banners say.

top story togor,,,

once again not listening to the media, just parroting the left, and actually thinking about the problem,

your first sentence, pure dramatic trash,, some call it word salad
your second sentence,, the same, in fact, one could say it is an outright fabrication, that translates into BS or a fib
your third sentence,, again, gas lighting or BS, since some are infact not allowed to drive,
your 4th sentence,,, see third,, esp since it is a drama move, and one of the questions on the 4473
your 5th sentence,,,, there are already rules, been in place since 1968,, but those are never enough,,,,, are they?
your 6th sentence, more gas lighting, or BS, or word salad,, since you are not only missing the issue, but missing it intentionally,
your 7th sentence, you contradict yourself, and at the same time, admit what your previous 6 sentences , and many of your previous posts have been pushing for,



the people part has been the issue all along, yet the folks in the places to make the rules, don't want to address those issues, because that would show a flaw in many of the issues they have been against for years, and years,

[togor]

As you so said Togor, a gun is only the means chosen to kill as it is the most convenient if it is available from what I believe you were alluding to. As I see it, the laws already are on the books that state Killing is a crime. Possession of a firearm by a fellow is prohibited. However, I believe I have heard on a news broadcast of two recent incidents that the suspect was a felon with a firearm that committed the murders. As we all know, a criminal does not respect the law and that is why they are labeled a criminal.

What I was also getting at, that those folks speaking at this "rally" in DC did not in my opinion seem to have written the speeches they were giving. And if you looked more closely, there were a lot of Blue T shirts in the crowd. I suspect they were made sometime in advance and then either given out to the crowd or sold to them. Also those speaking were from various parts of the USA. Just my observations.

I did not see the speeches you refer to, but I can easily believe that gun control speeches are poorly written and poorly delivered. For whatever reason, the people who want to ban guns the most seem to understand them the least.

The banners say that they don't want to in fact ban everything, and they complain about nobody being rational on the anti-ban side, no reasonable people. I think the banners are overstating that to a considerable degree. But I will also say that the banners have an irrationality problem on their own side, people who just knee-jerk at the issue and have no interest in understanding the details.

Like in so many other things these days, the most extreme views hog the microphones and nobody else gets a say.