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  • dogtag
    Senior Member
    • Sep 2009
    • 14985

    #1

    Is this the first war in history where everybody lost ? ...

    There's a winner and a loser in a war - except this one. As I said earlier
    this is a war where there are only losers. Even if Ukraine drove the Russians
    back across the border, which is extremely unlikely, could she really claim
    victory when most of the country is in ruins, millions of her people are in hiding
    in Poland and elsewhere with many thousand dead or wounded. Her economy
    is in the toilet, unable to export her wheat and fertilizer - most of which was
    carried off to Russia anyway. And she has lost access to the sea and the Crimea.
    Russia, even if she wins, it will be a pyrrhic victory because of the huge losses
    of both military hardware and the staggering loss of troops killed or wounded.
    She has been branded a pariah by the US and Europe which has caused her to
    turn to China. Her Ruble is stronger now than ever and her enormous resources
    are intact and can be used as a weapon against Europe and sold to her many
    hungry customers.
    Most of the World is now suffering through a food shortage, severe in Africa
    and the Mideast but felt everywhere, causing economic hardships.
    The US and Europe have also lost because we've driven Russia into the China
    camp. Russia's economy has not suffered all that badly from the sanctions,
    sanctions that have hurt us more than the intended target.
    The last thing the Western powers can have wanted was for Russia and China
    to jump into bed together. Together they make for a formidable foe, and when
    you consider who's in the Oval Office and that our military has been Woked, it
    makes you wonder just what has been gained by all of this ? Nothing.
    Everybody loses - except China, she's the sole winner.
  • togor
    Banned
    • Nov 2009
    • 17610

    #2
    China has more problems than you can imagine. Same for India.

    Reminder that like it or not we need ROK, Japanese and Taiwanese economies online for ours to function. China as you know wants Taiwan. Part of changing their mind about rolling the dice there is showing backbone in Ukraine.

    As you say Russia and China are allies now. Of convenience and with limitations but still. Ruining Putin's dream in Ukraine is necessary for American security because it will make Xi think twice about trying something in Taiwan.

    Anyone who doesn't see that is looking at it wrong.

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    • Major Tom
      Very Senior Member - OFC
      • Aug 2009
      • 6181

      #3
      Why did Joe and Hunter invest heavily in Chinese energy? How much money in royalties do they receive? Is Joe colluding with China? With Russia?

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      • togor
        Banned
        • Nov 2009
        • 17610

        #4
        Originally posted by Major Tom
        Why did Joe and Hunter invest heavily in Chinese energy? How much money in royalties do they receive? Is Joe colluding with China? With Russia?
        Once your fever subsides, I'm sure the internet will help you find answers to those questions. If you get any good ones post here. But you asking these questions is not proof of anything except that you think in terms of conspiracies. Probably because you think the world is against you. But just because you think the world is against you doesn't mean it is. You've had a long life. It could have been a lot worse.

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        • dogtag
          Senior Member
          • Sep 2009
          • 14985

          #5
          China is building up it's Military like crazy.
          Our Military has been woked causing both a morale and a recruitment problem.
          An Army suffering from low morale doesn't inspire confidence.

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          • Vern Humphrey
            Administrator - OFC
            • Aug 2009
            • 15875

            #6
            Originally posted by dogtag
            China is building up it's Military like crazy.
            Our Military has been woked causing both a morale and a recruitment problem.
            An Army suffering from low morale doesn't inspire confidence.
            Nor does a Commander-in-Chief with dementia.

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