Democrats considering indicting Trump ...

[Art]

And as Art knows, motive is huge in investigations.

Motive, while useful in sorting out suspects is irrelevant in charging a crime. Plenty of people are convicted without a motive having been shown, especially in crimes of violence. Why Frankie shot Johnnie is collateral to the facts regarding Frankie shooting Johnnie.

I've personally not seen a lot of "motive" in charging documents, though it can help in getting you there.

[Johnny P]

Slo Joe's justice department can't get out of it's own way. They could stay busy with just Slo Joe's family affairs.

[togor]

Motive, while useful in sorting out suspects is irrelevant in charging a crime. Plenty of people are convicted without a motive having been shown, especially in crimes of violence. Why Frankie shot Johnnie is collateral to the facts regarding Frankie shooting Johnnie.

I've personally not seen a lot of "motive" in charging documents, though it can help in getting you there.

Nobody said motive is proof. But it definitely part of building a case, and most certainly critical for establishing intent. That's the high bar in these cases--intent.

For example, what was Trump's intent in that phone call to Raffensberger?

"I just want 11,780 votes".

Sure sounds like tampering with election officials for the purpose of changing the results of the Georgia election.

Had Biden or Hillary been caught on tape uttering those same words, would there be any difficulty at all coming to that conclusion? I don't think so.

[lyman]

this is all the Repubs and Clintons fault,

if the Repubs had just left Clinton get his BJ's we would not have all this impeach this, impeach that BS

yes, BS,

every damn president since has been tried, or threatened to be impeached for whatever reason and has basically failed,



who has benefited? not us the taxpayer, but those high power lawyers have made a fortune over this crap,,




speaking of crap, togor, take a breath and get the Trump Monkey off you back and do some moderating,, those post are not gonna ban themselves

[togor]

this is all the Repubs and Clintons fault,

if the Repubs had just left Clinton get his BJ's we would not have all this impeach this, impeach that BS

yes, BS,

every damn president since has been tried, or threatened to be impeached for whatever reason and has basically failed,



who has benefited? not us the taxpayer, but those high power lawyers have made a fortune over this crap,,




speaking of crap, togor, take a breath and get the Trump Monkey off you back and do some moderating,, those post are not gonna ban themselves

I can set my watch by your entry into such threads to throw a zinger at me.

[Ltdave]

so when Comey goes on LIVE national television and says "Hillary had some classified emails on her private bathroom server" but then doesnt pursue criminal prosecution what does that say Mr Togor?

when Hunter Biden on his "doesnt exist" until it DOES exist laptop is seen smoking crack and doing whatever other nasty things hes doing, and having PROVEN ties to Communist China but then no criminal prosecutions take place, what does that say?

when Al Franken pushes for more and more and more and more recounts in Minnesota to get +1 more vote than his opponent, how is that not acting to influence an election?

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Had Biden or Hillary been caught on tape uttering those same words, would there be any difficulty at all coming to that conclusion? I don't think so.

coming to that conclusion? nope no difficulty at all. problem is, even with it on tape (audio and or video) neither Joe or Hillary would have had any fear of prosecution especially under Loretta Lynch or any other AG...

[lyman]

I can set my watch by your entry into such threads to throw a zinger at me.

well mr moderator,, earn your keep,

[togor]

well mr moderator,, earn your keep,

Is this your personal pond or something to be giving orders like you own the joint?

You don't see the ones I delete from the system, nor do I see the ones you delete. And unlike you I don't worry about what you're doing.

Take a break. If the place is overrun by spam posts, then that's on me and Vernon.

Otherwise give it a rest.

[Major Tom]

Togor is obviously over worked and needs a vacation, a permanent one!

[Johnny P]

Liberal burnout from trying to defend Biden as being perfectly normal, and trying to find fault with everyone else.

[Roadkingtrax]

Biden is the worst president since Trump .

[lyman]

Is this your personal pond or something to be giving orders like you own the joint?

You don't see the ones I delete from the system, nor do I see the ones you delete. And unlike you I don't worry about what you're doing.

Take a break. If the place is overrun by spam posts, then that's on me and Vernon.

Otherwise give it a rest.

15 pages,

try hitting new post, then look at the feed,

moderated posts are spammers, 15 pages of it,


I committed to moderating when I was given the title

so did you buy yours or just get Mom to protect you?


do your job, pull your load, and yes, I can see in the mod section who banned who

[Johnny P]

Oh yeah. Biden has done a wonderful job so far. Crazy as a loon, and the VP isn't far behind him.

[togor]

so when Comey goes on LIVE national television and says "Hillary had some classified emails on her private bathroom server" but then doesnt pursue criminal prosecution what does that say Mr Togor?

when Hunter Biden on his "doesnt exist" until it DOES exist laptop is seen smoking crack and doing whatever other nasty things hes doing, and having PROVEN ties to Communist China but then no criminal prosecutions take place, what does that say?

when Al Franken pushes for more and more and more and more recounts in Minnesota to get +1 more vote than his opponent, how is that not acting to influence an election?

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coming to that conclusion? nope no difficulty at all. problem is, even with it on tape (audio and or video) neither Joe or Hillary would have had any fear of prosecution especially under Loretta Lynch or any other AG...

So let's talk about Hillary's emails, and the lack of prosecution.

Why wasn't she prosecuted?

Long story short, there was nothing on her server that was sensitive enough, and they couldn't find intent to damage the United States, such that prosecution seemed warranted.

Is that good enough for you?

Because that's more or less the situation with the boxes of material that Trump took with him to Mar-a-Lago that were subsequently identified as classified.

I'm fine with that standard applying to both parties. Are you?

Now Jan 6, the election. That's different. The intent to hang onto power through whatever means we're available sows up everywhere.

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15 pages,

try hitting new post, then look at the feed,

moderated posts are spammers, 15 pages of it,


I committed to moderating when I was given the title

so did you buy yours or just get Mom to protect you?


do your job, pull your load, and yes, I can see in the mod section who banned who

Again, you don't give orders.

What good does banning do anyways? The bots make more accounts as fast as you delete them.

What matters is cleaning up the forum section. That's what people still use. That's what matters.

Nobody uses the blogs. Look at the histories of those forum members still active. 10 year histories, next to zilch in the blogs.

Keeping the forums clean IS WHAT MATTERS.

[togor]

So the Al Franken thing...

https://www.minnpost.com/politics-policy/2010/07/franken-coleman-senate-recount-flap-over-felon-votes-shows-gop-playing-fast/

A close election, and there was some disputes on vote tallies at the end. But in the end, there is going to be a winner, and a loser. It has to be. And this is where we get to a pretty important principle, that for our political system to work, we have to have participants who are willing to lose, even the close ones, without trying to blow the whole thing up.

In that link, the writer makes an interesting point. Coleman won shortly after Wellstone was killed in a plane crash, right before the election. Polls had Wellstone on track to get re-elected. Then Coleman calls Franken an "accidental" Senator? That lack of perspective is part of the problem, if you ask me. Coleman lost a close one, but by all indications, it was an election run fair & square.