The answer to the abortion issue was broadcast in 1975.

[RED]

When I was your girl
Promised if I'd be your wife
You'd show me the world
But all I've seen of this old world
Is a bed and a doctor bill
I'm tearin' down your brooder house
'Cause now I've got the pill
All these years I've stayed at home
While you had all your fun
And every year that's gone by
Another baby's come
There's a gonna be some changes made
Right here on nursery hill
You've set this chicken your last time
'Cause now I've got the pill
This old maternity dress I've got
Is goin' in the garbage
The clothes I'm wearin' from now on
Won't take up so much yardage
Miniskirts, hot pants and a few little fancy frills
Yeah I'm makin' up for all those years
Since I've got the pill
I'm tired of all your crowin'
How you and your hens play
While holdin' a couple in my arms
Another's on the way
This chicken's done tore up her nest
And I'm ready to make a deal
And ya can't afford to turn it down
'Cause you know I've got the pill
This incubator is overused
Because you've kept it filled
The feelin' good comes easy now
Since I've got the pill
It's gettin' dark it's roostin' time
Tonight's too good to be real
Oh, but daddy don't you worry none
'Cause mama's got the pill
Oh, daddy don't you worry none
'Cause mama's got the pill

[Roadkingtrax]

God Bless Loretta Lynn.

[togor]

Worth remembering that some hate the idea of the pill too.

Also, for some women, the side effects cause problems.

https://www.guttmacher.org/article/2020/06/seeing-whole-pattern-coordinated-federal-attacks-birth-control-coverage-and-access#

Get ready now for the horror stories now of pregnancy complications that go untreated, leading to maternal harm. Ectopic pregnancies are often fatal if not ended, never go to term, can cause lasting harm including sterility, and the March of Dimes puts their rate at 2%.

None of the abortion absolutists here has an answer for ectopic pregnancies. Or if they do they're not willing to give it.

[lyman]

Worth remembering that some hate the idea of the pill too.

Also, for some women, the side effects cause problems.

https://www.guttmacher.org/article/2020/06/seeing-whole-pattern-coordinated-federal-attacks-birth-control-coverage-and-access#

Get ready now for the horror stories now of pregnancy complications that go untreated, leading to maternal harm. Ectopic pregnancies are often fatal if not ended, never go to term, can cause lasting harm including sterility, and the March of Dimes puts their rate at 2%.

None of the abortion absolutists here has an answer for ectopic pregnancies. Or if they do they're not willing to give it.

are you trolling again,

yes is the correct answer

maybe spend some time in the shed sharpening a pitchfork,,,

or wring you hands some more?

[togor]

are you trolling again,

yes is the correct answer

maybe spend some time in the shed sharpening a pitchfork,,,

or wring you hands some more?

Your insults carry no weight.

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https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/27/w...smid=url-share

Here is a story about the case that caused Irish voters to repeal their eighth amendment. Of interest is the legislation that was expected to be passed with the amendment repealed. Unrestricted early, then subject to medical confirmation of risk as the pregnancy progresses. The US state that can approach this kind of rational policy may show the rest of the country the way.

[lyman]

Your insults carry no weight.

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https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/27/w...smid=url-share

Here is a story about the case that caused Irish voters to repeal their eighth amendment. Of interest is the legislation that was expected to be passed with the amendment repealed. Unrestricted early, then subject to medical confirmation of risk as the pregnancy progresses. The US state that can approach this kind of rational policy may show the rest of the country the way.

not an insult, truth,


irish are irish,
not individual states in the US,


while you are checking foreign countries, how any are more restrictive than us, and how many have been reported more lenient , but truthfully are not,


so , go back to hand wringing, reading top story headlines, and look at the real world,


the states will pass what he voters in those states want, and if the US it truly a republic, then the Senate and Congress will past what we the people,
not special interests or butt hurt lobbyist, want,


you keep forgetting that many many lawyer types have said for years that Roe was bad law, and should not have made it thru, even RBG,,,



oh, and that 10 yr old that had everyone in an uproar, wasn't she raped by an illegal?

funny how a story goes from front page,, then oops, truth comes out and it is now just a notation on the back of the classifieds,,,,,

[togor]

You didn't read the article.

You're also the one that told us abortion was a settled issue.

So why post commenting about an article you didn't read?

And how about telling us what your own position is on the subject? Put some skin in the game.

Bet you can't.

[lyman]

You didn't read the article.

You're also the one that told us abortion was a settled issue.

So why post commenting about an article you didn't read?

And how about telling us what your own position is on the subject? Put some skin in the game.

Bet you can't.

I did, at least the first 2 paragraphs, and scanned and exited out of the rest


show me the post where I said it was a settled issue, I'll be waiting,

so why,, because my job as a moderator is to keep trolls in place,


my opinions are mine, yours are yours, not sure what any skin in the game has to do with anything, esp to someone like you


and yes,, I can

[RED]

Worth remembering that some hate the idea of the pill too.

More left wing radical lies.

My wife took the pill until I got my nuts cut. In my 78 years of life, I have never, never, ever encountered anybody that hated the pill. I have Catholic friends that used the pill, and others that did not use it, but did not HATE it.

You are the hater here. You are a disgusting member of the human debris that has no moral compass.

I would bet my life savings you know people that hate Brenda Lee and Cherry Pie.

JMHO

[Roadkingtrax]

Eh, some hate it.

[togor]

I did, at least the first 2 paragraphs, and scanned and exited out of the rest


show me the post where I said it was a settled issue, I'll be waiting,

so why,, because my job as a moderator is to keep trolls in place,


my opinions are mine, yours are yours, not sure what any skin in the game has to do with anything, esp to someone like you


and yes,, I can

So let me get this straight.....

You care to venture no opinion of your own on a salient topic in current events in a discussion forum, but you criticize others for discussing the topic, and even offering their own opinions. In. A. Discussion. Forum.

I called it, didn't I?

Since you asked, sometime in the past 36-months, pre-covid, IIRC, you said abortion was settled in the context of some prolonged exchanges between Art and me on the topic, with others such as Vernon passive-agressively chiming in.

The pattern was (and is) that there are certain lines of arguments, certain points you don't want made here. So try to shut things down. Clear to see you were raised in the because-I-said-so school of parenting. But you're not dad, and it's insulting to the guys here when you try to be.



Back to topic. I'll make 3 broad points about the post-Roe world:

1) The dynamic has flipped 180 now. The horror stories are back, the absurdities of bad law are back, only now they will be laid at the feat of the banners, traveling at the speed of the internet.

2) Contrary to what Alito says, the fight is only going to get worse in the near term. The banners are not satisfied in the least, and pro-rights people are getting mobilized.

3) If however by some miracle one of the 50 states is able to come to a reasonable legislative compromise, something that withstands outside forces (who very much will want to keep the fight going), then this might become a blueprint for other states to follow.

[togor]

Worth remembering that some hate the idea of the pill too.

More left wing radical lies.

My wife took the pill until I got my nuts cut. In my 78 years of life, I have never, never, ever encountered anybody that hated the pill. I have Catholic friends that used the pill, and others that did not use it, but did not HATE it.

You are the hater here. You are a disgusting member of the human debris that has no moral compass.

I would bet my life savings you know people that hate Brenda Lee and Cherry Pie.

JMHO

RED: "hate the idea of the pill".

Well you hung out in a liberal Catholic crowd, or a conservative crowd, none of whom were pharmacists. Because up here in the upper midwest, there was a time for awhile when some pharmacists refused to fill prescriptions for birth control pills, because they were against their religion. They decided that doing their job--dispensing legal prescription medication to the public--should not require them to violate their religious beliefs. Naturally there are other points of view on this, including the idea that you can't discriminate against the public like that.

So slightly funny story:

Was engaged in college to a woman (we later called it off), and we went through the Catholic pre-marriage program at her Diocese. This involved some sessions with a couple in their late 20's, with a baby and a toddler already in the works, and I think more coming. We went to their apartment a few times and they went through the prepared materials with us. One of the sessions was on "natural family planning". They talked about the ovulation cycle, windows of fertility and how to recognize them, all-in-all making the case that this was a safer pill-free approach to having a marriage and children.

And all-in-all they did a pretty good job of it. So we leave the session, and I say to my GF, "you know that was a pretty good presentation I thought."

And she says, "You don't understand. They're TRYING to get pregnant!!"

But yes, RED there are those out there, even in the Catholic world, who think the pill is bad news. If you never met anyone in your day, well it was a more liberal time.

Which is a point worth making: If things were better when you were younger, well it was in many ways a more liberal period too. Coincidence?

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Oh and this:

https://www.guttmacher.org/gpr/2005/08/beyond-issue-pharmacist-refusals-pharmacies-wont-sell-emergency-contraception

It's old, from 2005, but it says Arkansas among the 4 states that allow pharmacists to refuse. So yeah...."hate the idea of the pill".

[lyman]

So let me get this straight.....

You care to venture no opinion of your own on a salient topic in current events in a discussion forum, but you criticize others for discussing the topic, and even offering their own opinions. In. A. Discussion. Forum.

I called it, didn't I?

Since you asked, sometime in the past 36-months, pre-covid, IIRC, you said abortion was settled in the context of some prolonged exchanges between Art and me on the topic, with others such as Vernon passive-agressively chiming in.

The pattern was (and is) that there are certain lines of arguments, certain points you don't want made here. So try to shut things down. Clear to see you were raised in the because-I-said-so school of parenting. But you're not dad, and it's insulting to the guys here when you try to be.



Back to topic. I'll make 3 broad points about the post-Roe world:

1) The dynamic has flipped 180 now. The horror stories are back, the absurdities of bad law are back, only now they will be laid at the feat of the banners, traveling at the speed of the internet.

2) Contrary to what Alito says, the fight is only going to get worse in the near term. The banners are not satisfied in the least, and pro-rights people are getting mobilized.

3) If however by some miracle one of the 50 states is able to come to a reasonable legislative compromise, something that withstands outside forces (who very much will want to keep the fight going), then this might become a blueprint for other states to follow.

you have called nothing,

not a thing,


why,, because you do not discuss,


ever wonder why this forum slowed down,,,, because folks like you got to preaching, and when someone did not agree with you, you started the verbal beat down,

some discussion eh?



we me saying it was settled,, show me the link, otherwise your arguement is pointless,


re your topics

#1, the horror stories never left, if you have ever seen a group of folks protesting abortion, you would see that , the pictures and placards they wear are quite descriptive,
but that rarely made the top stories or headlines, so surely you did not see then

#2, things will settle out,, the people will vote the folks they want in office to do what they want, neither side is satisfied now, and one side will not be happy in each state,
meanwhile someone will figure out what the Feds need to do, and try to get Roe or a version of it reinstated, but that will take time,

#3,, I would be willing to bet that happened long ago, , but it does not fit your, or the liberal narrative,

[Vern Humphrey]

you have called nothing,

not a thing,


why,, because you do not discuss,


ever wonder why this forum slowed down,,,, because folks like you got to preaching, and when someone did not agree with you, you started the verbal beat down,

some discussion eh?



we me saying it was settled,, show me the link, otherwise your arguement is pointless,


re your topics

#1, the horror stories never left, if you have ever seen a group of folks protesting abortion, you would see that , the pictures and placards they wear are quite descriptive,
but that rarely made the top stories or headlines, so surely you did not see then

#2, things will settle out,, the people will vote the folks they want in office to do what they want, neither side is satisfied now, and one side will not be happy in each state,
meanwhile someone will figure out what the Feds need to do, and try to get Roe or a version of it reinstated, but that will take time,

#3,, I would be willing to bet that happened long ago, , but it does not fit your, or the liberal narrative,

I note some protest signs saying, "Abortion saves lives."

Hello! Abortion KILLS!

[lyman]

RED: "hate the idea of the pill".

Well you hung out in a liberal Catholic crowd, or a conservative crowd, none of whom were pharmacists. Because up here in the upper midwest, there was a time for awhile when some pharmacists refused to fill prescriptions for birth control pills, because they were against their religion. They decided that doing their job--dispensing legal prescription medication to the public--should not require them to violate their religious beliefs. Naturally there are other points of view on this, including the idea that you can't discriminate against the public like that.

So slightly funny story:

Was engaged in college to a woman (we later called it off), and we went through the Catholic pre-marriage program at her Diocese. This involved some sessions with a couple in their late 20's, with a baby and a toddler already in the works, and I think more coming. We went to their apartment a few times and they went through the prepared materials with us. One of the sessions was on "natural family planning". They talked about the ovulation cycle, windows of fertility and how to recognize them, all-in-all making the case that this was a safer pill-free approach to having a marriage and children.

And all-in-all they did a pretty good job of it. So we leave the session, and I say to my GF, "you know that was a pretty good presentation I thought."

And she says, "You don't understand. They're TRYING to get pregnant!!"

But yes, RED there are those out there, even in the Catholic world, who think the pill is bad news. If you never met anyone in your day, well it was a more liberal time.

Which is a point worth making: If things were better when you were younger, well it was in many ways a more liberal period too. Coincidence?

- - - Updated - - -

Oh and this:

https://www.guttmacher.org/gpr/2005/08/beyond-issue-pharmacist-refusals-pharmacies-wont-sell-emergency-contraception

It's old, from 2005, but it says Arkansas among the 4 states that allow pharmacists to refuse. So yeah...."hate the idea of the pill".

and you proved my point before I even typed out my reply