Battery Technology Sent To China

[togor]

To some in the US, mostly Chamber of Commerce types, the phrase "industrial policy" is a dirty word. Yet it's because of this type of national ambivalence that crap like this happens. Credit Trump for calling US businesses out, and credit the Democrats for trying to pick up Trump's lead.

Yes, I know, "Solyndra", but is this outcome really better? People or countries who never take risks never accomplish anything.

https://www.npr.org/2022/08/03/1114964240/new-battery-technology-china-vanadium

[lyman]

that NPR article is a bit misleading,

I read elsewhere, (will need to find the link) that Yang is the one that took liberties with the technology,
not that the US gave it away

[lyman]

that NPR article is a bit misleading,

I read elsewhere, (will need to find the link) that Yang is the one that took liberties with the technology,
not that the US gave it away

[togor]

Oh no doubt the Chinese stole it, or would even if there was no license granted.

But the US shouldn't have made the technology so damned easy to steal in that case, and US companies who want to use it to manufacture in the US should not have to jump through hoops to get licenses to do just that.

Not everything we use here is going to be made here. BUT....we're overdue to to make an accounting of which countries (and political systems) abroad are friendly, and which are not. And for sure it's time to call BS on the 30-year experiment that trading with us will make the Chicoms somehow better pals, and will lead to a happy reunion in the Taiwanese Straight, etc. that we can put critical factories anywhere because humans are just One Big Happy Family.

[dogtag]

togor blames Trump. And says I'm Putin's spy. Enough said.

[togor]

togor blames Trump. And says I'm Putin's spy. Enough said.

You missed the part in the OP where I said "Credit Trump...." didn't you. And there was nothing backhanded about it.

I would NOT use the word "spy" to describe your connection to Putin. Most definitely, not that word.

[barretcreek]

A) Chinese concepts and laws regarding intellectual property are laughable by our standards. Jeep found that out.

B) Our tax laws discourage capital investment; By the time capital is recovered the technology is economically obsolete and inflation has destroyed the value of the return.

[togor]

A) Chinese concepts and laws regarding intellectual property are laughable by our standards. Jeep found that out.

B) Our tax laws discourage capital investment; By the time capital is recovered the technology is economically obsolete and inflation has destroyed the value of the return.

If not mistaken, the tax law situation was addressed in the previous administration. Not yet addressed is the "quarterly report" mindset that prevails in US corporations, which has been there my entire working career. I'm in electronics, and I have seen the steady investment strategies that other countries place on that sector.

I'm in no hurry to buy a Tesla, with it's "big brother" approach to motoring. But one has to admire Musk's ability to place long-term engineering bets in a sector, and make them stick. It is no surprise at all to me that Musk was born outside of the US.

[lyman]

the counterpoint article I read,

interesting time line,

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2022/08/06/a-curious-case-of-transferred-battery-technology/