Russia has lost short wars for hundreds of years but won the long ones.

[RED]

Napoleon in the 1800s invaded Russia and got his ass kicked when the winter kicked in.

Hitler invaded Russia and kicked their butts until the
Winter trapped thousands of his strongest and elite hard cold soldiers.

Bottom line, who is going to win the Ukrainian war?The answer is hands down, it may take 20 years for Russia to take total rule of all of eastern Europe but Ukraine is just a training exercise to correct the problems every socialist nation is experiencing.

Do not ever think Russia will not use tactical nuclear weapons. If Putin is in a shelter and on his death bed. His last words could be the same as the Duke. All the OFC members know what that was.

[Allen]

I don't disagree but 2 big wars were lost to the harsh winters. Doesn't the Ukraine experience the same severe winters and can cope with it?

Nukes, I agree it looks like the only way to win this war shortly is with nukes but will his people follow through? Would Russia want to take over and occupy a conquered nation that contained nuclear radiation from all the bombs or nuke missiles?

[RED]

Good points. I still cannot understand why the Russians are doing what they are doing. Both countries will suffer from the war efforts and I do not see the purpose in taking the entire country. Turkey and 1936 Convention Regarding the Regime of the Straits the Montreux Convention complicates the whole mess.

[one shot]

Russia hasn't won a war in 100 years remember germany was fighting more than just the ruskies and without the US arming the ruskies they were toast . The Afghans were armed by the US and the ruskies folded and now the Ukraine with US arms are embarrassing the ruskies Putin will fold soon enough .

[dogtag]

Without America and Europe's help, Ukraine would lost within a few weeks.
As I said at the onset, they'll be only losers here. Europe is shivering,
Ukraine is in ruins, America has squandered billions of dollars, Russia
has suffered thousands of casualties, and starvation has hit parts of Africa.
In spite of sanctions, Russia's economy seems to be doing fine.

[rayg]

In spite of sanctions, Russia's economy seems to be doing fine.

They've lost over 60,000 soldiers and a lot of war vehicles/planes and other weapons as well as other material! Also they helped to add 2 more countries to NATO and NATO is providing lots of weapons to them with no people cost! Also Russia has lost face by unable to over come a smaller country! That doesn't sound like they are doing so well to me! And the only thing doing great for them is their oil but now other countries are also implementing ways to increase their oil production. And to top it off, they're showing the rest of the world how evil they are by what they did or are doing to another peaceful country!

[Art]

Russia hasn't won a war in 100 years remember germany was fighting more than just the ruskies and without the US arming the ruskies they were toast . The Afghans were armed by the US and the ruskies folded and now the Ukraine with US arms are embarrassing the ruskies Putin will fold soon enough .

It could be argued that without the Russians tying up 100 + divisions we were toast. Production was not a Russian problem, they produced over 55,000 T34 Tanks alone. The two biggest contributions the west made to the Russians were the P39 Aircobra and much, much, more importantly the Studebaker 2 1/2 ton truck.

[Allen]

much, much, more importantly the Studebaker 2 1/2 ton truck.

"The three major 2.5-ton American truck producers of World War 2 -General Motors, Internatonal Harvester Company and Studebaker - made about 900,000 trucks in all with GM and IHC providing their product to the U.S. Army, Navy and Marine Corps and Studebaker manufacturing 197,678 trucks for Lend-Lease - these primarily ending up with the Red Army of the Soviet Union."

The figure I remember hearing was 120,000 to the Russians. Some apparently went to other places to help fight off the Nazi's as well.

[dogtag]

[QUOTE=rayg;639664]They've lost over 50,000 soldiers and a lot of war vehicles/planes and other weapons as well as other material! Also they helped to add 2 more countries to NATO and NATO is providing lots of weapons to them with no people cost! Also Russia has lost face by unable to over come a smaller country! That doesn't sound like they are doing so well to me! And the only thing doing great for them is their oil but now other countries are also implementing ways to increase their oil production. And to top it off, they're showing the rest of the world how evil they are by what they did or are doing to another peaceful country

Simple truth is, both sides lost, but our side lost more.
Russia's economy is doing just fine and their energy sales went up 100%.
They picked up new clients in China, India. Sanction didn't hurt that much.
Europe is now without energy and when Winter sets in they'll have even more riots.
Russia lost a lot of Men and equipment. Don't know Ukraine's casualty numbers,
but they have a lot of ruins to contend with.
We lost far more equipment to the Taliban (85 Billion) and Ukraine (even more)
Whole thing was a huge waste.

[rayg]

Ok lets hear your answer! I know you have been complaining about the cost of the war and that you are not for NATO and/ or the US supporting it. So Lets hear what you would do!

[bruce]

Russia lost WWI. The Imperial German Army stomped them. Now, putin and his cabal are watching as the Ukranian armed forces sink russian ships, shoot down russian planes, blow up russian tanks and kill russian soldiers. That certainly looks like a repeat. Sincerely. bruce.

[Allen]

Overall to me it looks like Russia is still using WW2 era warfare except with newer, better equipment whereas the US and the UK are supplying the Ukraine with their "Star Wars" tech.

[RED]

Ask Napoleon.

[one shot]

Overall to me it looks like Russia is still using WW2 era warfare except with newer, better equipment whereas the US and the UK are supplying the Ukraine with their "Star Wars" tech.

I hear they're using WW2 soldiers as well .

[Allen]

I hear they're using WW2 soldiers as well .

They would be better than the young recruits they have now.