Equipment on the way to the Ukraine

[Allen]

Just hard to take the Bradley seriously. It seems to be a APC or maybe a IFV with delusions of grandure. Can it even withstand a RPG? Is it survivable for use in Ukraine.

Will a RPG knock the track off of any tank?

Maybe this will make you feel better. It's an old article but apparently still in the works. They just won't be of help any time soon unless some of our "black ops" operate them for the Ukrainians.

https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-military-technology-germany-7b63726a3935da3f03424e98e52a85b2

[Vern Humphrey]

Re: Bradley. So ... neither fish nor fowl. Guess if it has a tube on top to pop 62's, 72's and the "terminator" then possibly the Bradley will be of some use. Hopefully putin and his cannon fodder army are not any better than what saddam fielded. Just hard to take the Bradley seriously. It seems to be a APC or maybe a IFV with delusions of grandure. Can it even withstand a RPG? Is it survivable for use in Ukraine. May be a way though to off load the Bradley while it has some utility so that a better vehicle can be developed and fielded. Regardless, glory to Ukraine! Sincerely. bruce.

The Bradley has two TOWs (Tube-launched, Optically controlled, Wire guided missiles). The TOW is one of the best anti-tank weapons going. In addition, the Brad has the 25mm Hughes chain gun that has defeated Russian armor before -- in Iraq. It also carries a squad of infantry.

[Allen]

The Bradley has two TOWs (Tube-launched, Optically controlled, Wire guided missiles). The TOW is one of the best anti-tank weapons going. In addition, the Brad has the 25mm Hughes chain gun that has defeated Russian armor before -- in Iraq. It also carries a squad of infantry.

Looks like they're getting some M109 Paladins too.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory/1st-class-ukraine-fighters-finishes-advanced-us-training-97292982

[Vern Humphrey]

Looks like they're getting some M109 Paladins too.

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wire...ining-97292982

The M109 outclasses anything the Russians have. Each gun has its own on-board fire control system. Instead of the traditional battery formation, individual guns are assigned a Support by Indirect Fire(SBIF) area and the gun "dances" inside the area -- shooting a mission then moving before incoming fire can arrive. Because of the on-board capability, the M109 is capable of Multiple Round Simultaneous Impact (MRSI) missions -- the 155 is a bag-loading gun and has 8 powder charges per round. The computer calculates firing data for each charge level, so eight rounds can be fired and all impact at the same time. A battalion (18 guns) can put 144 rounds in the air, and they all hit at the same time -- by which time each gun has moved from the original firing position.

[Allen]

The M109 outclasses anything the Russians have. Each gun has its own on-board fire control system. Instead of the traditional battery formation, individual guns are assigned a Support by Indirect Fire(SBIF) area and the gun "dances" inside the area -- shooting a mission then moving before incoming fire can arrive. Because of the on-board capability, the M109 is capable of Multiple Round Simultaneous Impact (MRSI) missions -- the 155 is a bag-loading gun and has 8 powder charges per round. The computer calculates firing data for each charge level, so eight rounds can be fired and all impact at the same time. A battalion (18 guns) can put 144 rounds in the air, and they all hit at the same time -- by which time each gun has moved from the original firing position.

As complicated as this sounds the first batch of Ukrainians have already completed the training for these per the article. This gives you an idea of how much more complex the Abrams must be to state from most all sources that training would take many months and up to a year.

This is what the Ukraine needs now. The Abrams, F-16's, later but could start training now for future use.

[Vern Humphrey]

As complicated as this sounds the first batch of Ukrainians have already completed the training for these per the article. This gives you an idea of how much more complex the Abrams must be to state from most all sources that training would take many months and up to a year.

This is what the Ukraine needs now. The Abrams, F-16's, later but could start training now for future use.

They should have started training last year -- in fact since we knew Russia was going to invade, they should have been in training before the invasion.

[Allen]

They should have started training last year -- in fact since we knew Russia was going to invade, they should have been in training before the invasion.

What I've been saying.

Actually they knew this day would come back when the Soviet Union broke up. Russia had built a lot in the Ukraine and other provinces. It was known they would be wanting it all back.

[Vern Humphrey]

What I've been saying.

Actually they knew this day would come back when the Soviet Union broke up. Russia had built a lot in the Ukraine and other provinces. It was known they would be wanting it all back.

And when this is over, the Ukraine should be invited to join NATO.

[Allen]

And when this is over, the Ukraine should be invited to join NATO.

Under a watchful eye, yes. I hope they can regain the Crimea too which was taken from them in 2014.

[Vern Humphrey]

Under a watchful eye, yes. I hope they can regain the Crimea too which was taken from them in 2014.

I think that's their goal this year. Power to their arms!