The Silence is Deafening

[Griff Murphey]

Not sure I even want to post this... last thing I want to do is get everyone riled up at Christmas on EITHER side of this thing. BUT.... One thing I've noticed. I think most of us are so stunned, I don't think we as veterans even want to talk about the end of "Don't Ask and Don't Tell," or any other aspect of this whole episode. I kind of think most of us are just left in shock and kind of want to forget about it. It's like the media: nobody's asking the veterans, nobody's listening to the veterans. I guess there is a wildly happy minority out there and a bunch of wine and cheese liberals who never put on a uniform that are happy as well. They got what they wanted.

[dave]

Why should "veterans" have any say in current law or regs of the military? I am a vet too but don't think my opinion should have any weight on what they are doing. There were gays in the military when I was in (I'm sure) and they are there now! There are gays who very macho and there are the 'flaming limp wrist' types. The latter are not in the military.

And look at the bright side, if your fox hole buddy falls in love with you he will REALLY watch your back! hehehe! (no pun intended, of course)

[Garden Valley]

Let's look 20 years or so down the road. We will then have senior ranking officers who are openly gay and they will be making the decisions about how the military will operate. What happens then??

[Beachbumbob]

I would expect him to base his decisions on the 20 years of experience he has. And to do what he has been doing for the previous 20 years.

“I, (state your name), having been appointed a (rank) in the United States (branch of service), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foriegn and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the office upon which I am about to enter. So help me God.”

[Garden Valley]

Undoubtedly he will base his decisions on the 20 years of experience he has had. That is exactly my point.

[SMOKEY]

This admin has no idea of the can of worms they have opened, gee let's see now "we" the tax payers will be providing "spousal" support for them. Holy crap

[UUURah]

Well as a veteran my opinion should count too, but it doesn't. The libs are calling all the shots now and they will continue until they are voted out.

I feel that having a gay serving "openly" opens up more than a can of worms. It's no different than if someone like me was standing in formation and I say "when 1600 gets here I will be having sex with a kumquat". It's going to make the other Soldiers look at me different, not as another equal soldier but as a weirdo.

As for the long term effects, those 13,000 who were mustered out, some will probably be allowed back in, with pay, given rank, declared heroes, have a special ceremony where they are give special medals, and from then on treated like they were Chesty Puller at Choson. The others who don't reup, will receive big payouts, go on MSDNC, ABC, CBS, and write books that give them millions.

THAT is what is wrong with it.

[Beachbumbob]

Well as a veteran my opinion should count too, but it doesn't. .

As a veteran you should be interested in making sure that those who WANT to serve have not only the opportunity to serve but are equipped with the best and most up to date equipment available to them. Then you need to ensure that they have the proper training and support to utilize this to protect and defend the legacy you left them.

[Weasel]

Smokey is right. We the veteran's don't mean sh*( but we the tax payer's should mean something. We are the ones who are going to have to pay for this. You can take it to the bank, it's about the money. The opinions of the veteran's in this country has never meant a damn thing. If you are waiting for the VFW to say something, forget it. It just means more future members.

[Michaelp]

Veterans also have an interest in what makes things work.

This deal has the possibility of introducing divisiveness of a destructive level into military society.

There were deep reasons for DADT that are being ignored by those with a destructive agenda.
There were some murky hierarchies and networks involved.
Don't forget the recent SMA who got busted out for violating young females.

The opinions of a lot of combat and working troops were ignored regarding this.
"Wanting to serve" doesn't mean everyone ought to.

The idea of changing military society in such a crucial time is preposterous.
Just more signature activity by the radical leftists and their hate America atitudes.
The lame duck session illustrated this by spitefully passing items the public clearly rejected.

[Griff Murphey]

In the "Old Navy" (WW-1-1920's) when this was found to be practiced on a ship it was said: "The Beast is loose."

I had the pleasure of speaking again with our BLT 1-4 battalion chaplain who I was on float with back in '75, in 2000 when he had right at 30 years in and he was in Texas as a four striper Navy Captain at an interservice chaplains' conference in Dallas, at that time nearing retirement. I asked him if the Navy had changed with women now at sea, and he said there was an active, coercive group of lesbian sailors at sea forcing other women to submit to them. When I asked him how this could be, he explained, "How would it be, for us (men) if they were bigger and stronger than us?" I am sure in some cases, this could be true even for men. Personally I just don't think the possibility of ANY kind of sex, heterosexual OR homosexual, is a good thing in the close confines of any combat organizations or at sea. I look at it as has been often stated by others: "PREJUDICIAL TO GOOD ORDER AND DISCIPLINE."

I kind of look at it like MichaelP... I would love to be an Airborne Ranger or a USMC Scout Sniper but at age 61 and 234 LBS I am not qualified, and would be a danger to myself and others if you put me in those jobs.

[Mr. X]

Being a veteran really has nothing to do with it. The real issue is this: either homosexuality is perverse, deviant, and sick by nature and by logic, or it's perfectly normal and acceptable. I personally think homosexuality sis perverse and deviant, but unfortunately I am in the minority in this country. Fact is we live in an "anything goes" nation where if you oppose homosexuality, adultery, fornication, perversion, drug use, etc. etc. YOU are considered abnormal. The President of the United States of America admitted snorting cocaine and being present when a buddy of his mainlined heroin with a needle. Obama planned on shooting up too but backed out at the last minute. Read his autobiography.

Truthfully, I think this country is finished. It is a gluttonous nation where moderation in finance, debt. sex, drugs, food and entertainment are all passe. It can't lase forever like this and I'm betting it'll be finished a lot sooner than most of us think.

[El Paso Mark]

Yeah, that whole "Equality and women on ships" thing sure worked, didn't it?

Cheers,

Mark

[PhillipM]

As an unintended consequence the left has been dealt a major blow with this decision on one front. The liberal America hating universities can no longer keep recruiters out because of no gays allowed in the military.

[Nick Riviezzo]

I've asked it before and,having received no reasonable answer,I will ask it again.WHERE ELSE IN NATURE[the animal kingdom]IS HOMOSEXUAL BEHAVIOR NORMAL? It is deviant,perverse and repulsive to God and man.All of this "coming out" crap is a reinforcement of what is essentially wrong.Nick