My Mauser action military trainers

[LTC]

A couple photos of my Mauser trainer family. From top to bottom; Erma DSM 34, Gustoff-Werke KKW, 2 FN ABL 1952 Navy's, FN ABL 1952 Army and a French MAS 45. The bottom one is a FN ABL 1952 30-06 not a .22 trainer.





LTC

[dave]

Nice! I have a DSM, KKW and the Mas. What are the others, all FN?

[n64atlas]

The FN's are Belgian trainers made by FN aka Fabric National, in 1952. They also made some trainers for Israel in 1952. The IDF trainers are easier to
find than the ABL trainers. The 30-06 ABL is very hard to find. These were built on a 8mm size action that need a groove cut in the ejection port for
the longer 30-06 cartridge.

[Tdarmo]

Hi
Do you know how many different manufactures of the DSM 34 there were. I have a Geco now and I'm looking at a JGA at local gun shop. I also was wondering the meaning of the R.A.D stamp on my Geco

[n64atlas]

Jon Speed has a book called "The Mauser Smallbores" that goes into detail on how many and who made the DSM's. It also covers other German 22 rifles of that era.

[bruce]

Beautiful rifles!

[dave]

All I know there were many. Where is the R.D.F. stamp located? Sounds like some Nazi organization, usually stamped on the stock. Mine is an Erma, one of the more common ones I think. I do not collect trainers only have these to go with my German K98k collection. The Mas is really a KKW, modified by the French and made at Obendorf. Go to K98k forum, they have a training rifle discussion board that will answer all your questions. You have to register but the whole site is interesting for anything German and related!

[n64atlas]

The MAs is not a modified KKW it is the next generation of that line. They started making them in Germany then moved the entire plant to France.
You will see 3 different types of MAS 45.First ones are marked Mauser, then the transition ones will have Mauser and MAS. The last ones will have only MAS.
It was a design the Germans were going to build, but they lost the war. France captured the plant and had them build the MAS for their military. Remember, the KKW was also
a single shot and the MAS is magazine fed.

[dave]

First I have ever read or heard that! Do you have a source? The French could have just used existing dies for the Mauser stamp, before using their own after move of machinery to France. Seems strange the Germans would redesign a 'trainer' K98k look alike with similar features, weight, etc. into a 'sporter', unless it was meant to be made post-war for sportsman.

[n64atlas]

It's in Jon Speeds book, "The Mauser Smallbores". One of the last chapters.

[dave]

OK, I assume he has and quotes some documentation.

[n64atlas]

Yes he does. If you visit the K98k forum, he is one of the main references used there along with Simmons. The K98k forum only deals
with trainers to 1945 for the most part. Which is why it is hard to find more info on line about the MAS. If you don't have Speeds book,
it is worth buying if you collect the smallbore rifles.