Brass butt plate

[Merc]

I've always wondered, with all the commodity shortages during WW2, why did Savage make and install a brass butt plate on my Savage 1944 No. 4 Mk 1*? I've seen other Savage No. 4 Mk1* rifles with alloy butt plates. Brass was in high demand for making ammo in 44.

[JB White]

Is your buttplate from Savage? What markings are on it? Look inside the trap door too.
The alloy buttplates were a substitute standard and they did not weather the test of time very well. A great many alloy buttplates, including British, were eventually replaced with brass due to cracking and/or deterioration.

[Merc]

Is your buttplate from Savage? What markings are on it? Look inside the trap door too.
The alloy buttplates were a substitute standard and they did not weather the test of time very well. A great many alloy buttplates, including British, were eventually replaced with brass due to cracking and/or deterioration.

JB,

I've removed the brass butt plate from my No. 4 several times and never noticed the following stampings on the inside surface:

Plate:

F
282
48

Trapdoor:

F
F265

[JB White]

It's a British replacement. So, now you know.

[Merc]

It's a British replacement. So, now you know.

JB,

That answers one question and spawns several others. So, Savage originally furnished their No. 4s with an alloy butt plate? Does the "F" stamped on the rear mean that Fazakerley made the replacement brass butt plate? Does the "48" stamped on the rear indicate that it was made in 1948? Did Enfield stamp rebuild dates anywhere on the No. 4? Reason I'm asking, there's a "51" and a "K" (or possibly an "R") stamped on the wrist band near the serial number which I suspect is 1951 and an inspector or an armory ID Mark. Any idea what the 3 digit codes stamped on the rear of the brass butt plate and trap door mean and why the Brits decided against using steel butt plates like everyone else and turned to brass.

[p246]

The stamped number on the wrist I'll risk a guess without a picture. Year of rebuild by our Canadian Friends to the north. They did not use the FTR mark our English friends to the east did. It's my understanding the Canadians were not always good at marking rebuilds. The English were a different story. I have a No 4 Longbranch all matching numbers but Forewood. Wrist is 52 marked. Forewood and one hand guard is walnut. I'm guessing the rest is beech or another light wood. Stained close to match. The original serial number in Forewood is struck out by a single line. No other serial number was added. She is a solid shooter and still wears her 1945 barrel. During the 52 rebuild it looks like it got some new wood and refinished metal.

[Tuna]

How about one more question. I have a #4 Savage made that has a brass butt plate but the plate is too small for the stock and doesn't fit properly. What would this plate belong on?

[JB White]

There should be a small margin of wood beyond the edges of the plate. They weren't built to be flush to the edges. The wood typically "wore in" while in service. If you have a Normal or Long buttstock, that margin might be more generous than a fit to a Small or Bantam butt.

So long as you have a rounded tang (as opposed to a triangular tang for the SMLE), it's just the norm for a No4.

[Merc]

Here are a few photo of my 1944 Savage No. 4. The "51" is right above the serial number on the wrist band. I assume "VNS" and "B" are inspector marks.

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[Merc]

Here are a few more.

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[p246]

Yep that's how my 45 Longbranch looks with the 52 rebuild stamp. Mine is below the serial number a little bit more centered. IVe seen them both ways. Everything I've read says this the trait of a Canadian rebuild.

[JB White]

VNS is a manufacturers marking same as the B on the rear sight.
Your rifle picked up a lot of British parts when serviced.

[Merc]

So, Savage made my No. 4 in 1944 and the Canadians rebuilt it in 1951. That answers another question. They could have replaced the alloy butt plate with the brass butt plate. The "48" that's stamped on the rear of the plate could be 1948 so the timing is correct. It's still a very accurate rifle. Thanks for the info.

[Merc]

How about one more question. I have a #4 Savage made that has a brass butt plate but the plate is too small for the stock and doesn't fit properly. What would this plate belong on?

Tuna,

Check out www.ssporters.com for No. 4 butt plates. They show an original Savage alloy No. 4 plate for your rifle.

[Merc]

So, Savage made my No. 4 in 1944 and the Canadians rebuilt it in 1951. That answers another question. They could have replaced the alloy butt plate with the brass butt plate. The "48" that's stamped on the rear of the plate could be 1948 so the timing is correct. It's still a very accurate rifle. Thanks for the info.

VNS is a manufacturers marking same as the B on the rear sight.
Your rifle picked up a lot of British parts when serviced.

So, the British and Canadians did the same as their US counterparts when it came to mixing parts during the rebuild process. Doesn't surprise me. Just glad it still works as intended.