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  • BlitzKrieg
    Senior Member
    • Oct 2009
    • 573

    #1

    Looking for a No.4Mk2 forend...I think they are extinct

    Been to usual parts places , coming up dry. Not at panic level yet but
    darn frustrated.

    You reading this... don't try to "rescue" a No.4 !
  • free1954
    Senior Member
    • Feb 2010
    • 1165

    #2
    you may be right about them being extinct. liberty tree collectables https://www.libertytreecollectors.co...tc-default.asp has parts sometimes that they don't advertise. you could try calling them.

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    • m1ashooter
      Senior Member
      • May 2011
      • 3220

      #3
      Are you on the Lee Enfield Forum?
      To Error Is Human To Forgive Is Not SAC Policy

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      • lyman
        Administrator - OFC
        • Aug 2009
        • 11268

        #4
        Originally posted by m1ashooter
        Are you on the Lee Enfield Forum?
        which one?

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        • Sunray
          Senior Member
          • Sep 2009
          • 3251

          #5
          $39.95 at Gunparts. Who continue to list No. 4 Lee-Enfields under 'SMLE'. It wasn't made by SMLE either.
          They say it's an "original arsenal refinished walnut fore stock". Product #1251690
          "...don't try to "rescue" a No.4..." A very expensive thing to do these days.
          Spelling and grammar count!

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          • BlitzKrieg
            Senior Member
            • Oct 2009
            • 573

            #6
            Originally posted by Sunray
            $39.95 at Gunparts. Who continue to list No. 4 Lee-Enfields under 'SMLE'. It wasn't made by SMLE either.
            They say it's an "original arsenal refinished walnut fore stock". Product #1251690
            "...don't try to "rescue" a No.4..." A very expensive thing to do these days.
            Thank You for the assistance
            Last edited by BlitzKrieg; 12-06-2019, 11:38.

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            • twh
              Senior Member
              • Oct 2009
              • 224

              #7
              Liberty tree collectors lists complete beech stock sets for No.4 mk2s and I would check Apex Gun Parts as well since the appear to have acquired most of Springfield Sporters Enfield parts.

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              • dogtag
                Senior Member
                • Sep 2009
                • 14985

                #8
                Originally posted by Sunray
                $39.95 at Gunparts. Who continue to list No. 4 Lee-Enfields under 'SMLE'. It wasn't made by SMLE either.
                They say it's an "original arsenal refinished walnut fore stock". Product #1251690
                "...don't try to "rescue" a No.4..." A very expensive thing to do these days.
                Don't really understand why a #4 shouldn't be termed SMLE
                after all the number 4 takes the same basic 'Short' magazine as earlier #1 Mk3 known as the SMLE


                ( I went through boot camp with a #4)

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                • JB White
                  Senior Member
                  • Aug 2009
                  • 13371

                  #9
                  Originally posted by dogtag
                  Don't really understand why a #4 shouldn't be termed SMLE
                  after all the number 4 takes the same basic 'Short' magazine as earlier #1 Mk3 known as the SMLE


                  ( I went through boot camp with a #4)
                  Because they are two different rifles and the No4 came around long after the ShtLE/SMLE was renamed the No1. Parts will not interchange between the two. Not even the screws unless someone forces one into the hole. The barrels clock opposite between the the two. One has the bolthead riding outside the rail while the other rides an inside rail. Etc.etc.etc.....
                  I should add the short part is because its shorter than the long lees but still not a carbine. A short rifle and why they added five inches of pike length to the 1907 bayonet.
                  Magazine because its magazine fed and charger loaded.
                  Lee because they retained the Lee designed action.
                  Enfield due to the Enfield designed rifling.
                  SMLE is not an abbreviated single name. Its a conglomeration of 4 separate things.
                  The No4 retained very few of the original traits as it was designed for cottage industry parts supply. They look familiar though.

                  Hope that helps?

                  BTW, the No2 is a rimfire and the No3 is the P14. Just in case you were wondering.
                  Last edited by JB White; 12-09-2019, 02:10.
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                  • M1Garandy
                    Senior Member
                    • Aug 2009
                    • 611

                    #10
                    I'm not sure if you do eBay, but there are always Mk2 forends listed. usually many more than Mk1's.

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                    • dogtag
                      Senior Member
                      • Sep 2009
                      • 14985

                      #11
                      Originally posted by JB White
                      Because they are two different rifles and the No4 came around long after the ShtLE/SMLE was renamed the No1. Parts will not interchange between the two. Not even the screws unless someone forces one into the hole. The barrels clock opposite between the the two. One has the bolthead riding outside the rail while the other rides an inside rail. Etc.etc.etc.....
                      I should add the short part is because its shorter than the long lees but still not a carbine. A short rifle and why they added five inches of pike length to the 1907 bayonet.
                      Magazine because its magazine fed and charger loaded.
                      Lee because they retained the Lee designed action.
                      Enfield due to the Enfield designed rifling.
                      SMLE is not an abbreviated single name. Its a conglomeration of 4 separate things.
                      The No4 retained very few of the original traits as it was designed for cottage industry parts supply. They look familiar though.

                      Hope that helps?

                      BTW, the No2 is a rimfire and the No3 is the P14. Just in case you were wondering.
                      Yup Thanks. Wish I hadn't sold my #1Mk3, but regret selling lots of things.
                      I should have been born old - would have known better.

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                      • BlitzKrieg
                        Senior Member
                        • Oct 2009
                        • 573

                        #12
                        So far, I 've encountered scammers trying to sell Indian wood No4Mk2 fore arms. Did find a very few
                        British No.4Mk2 fore arms in poor condition or so outrageously priced, it was far far cheaper to buy another rifle and forget restoring this sporterized rifle.

                        I'll succeed but I'll pay out the nose and have to import a proper Brit for end from UK. That is the price for success.

                        Apex does not have what I need, SARCO doesn't respond to questions so that I can buy with confidence, Ebay/Gun Broker listers offer only spongy Indian wood, Springfield Sporters is out of business. I may have to take a trip to Gun Parts and see what they got ..thats a option before I reach to England.

                        Stay away from No.4Mk2 ... far more parts around for No4Mk1.

                        Thanks all for trying to help.

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                        • The Armourer
                          Junior Member
                          • Jun 2019
                          • 13

                          #13
                          Originally posted by dogtag
                          Don't really understand why a #4 shouldn't be termed SMLE
                          after all the number 4 takes the same basic 'Short' magazine as earlier #1 Mk3 known as the SMLE


                          ( I went through boot camp with a #4)
                          '
                          I don't really understand why Ford don't call the 'Fusion' a 'Mustang', they both are manufactured by Ford, they both have 4-wheels, both have an engine, both have doors etc etc.

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                          • JB White
                            Senior Member
                            • Aug 2009
                            • 13371

                            #14
                            When I see your online handle The Armourer I automatically think of the real The Armourer who passed away a couple years ago. Well known on all the British/Commonwealth boards and a helpful contributor off forum. A well known seller worldwide when it came to providing Lee Enfield parts including some of the rare, hard to find bits and pieces.
                            An armourer for the New Zealand forces and custom gunsmith out of Christchurch NZ. His expertise was priceless.

                            So,don't be surprised if you get highly technical inquiries and/or polite requests for assistance. Robbie left some pretty big footprints in a pretty big shadow for you to follow. It'll take a good number of years to fade I'm sure. Some of the more recent/less frequent visitors may be unaware of his early demise.
                            Last edited by JB White; 12-31-2019, 10:01.
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                            **Never quite as old as the other old farts**

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                            • lyman
                              Administrator - OFC
                              • Aug 2009
                              • 11268

                              #15
                              Originally posted by The Armourer
                              '
                              I don't really understand why Ford don't call the 'Fusion' a 'Mustang', they both are manufactured by Ford, they both have 4-wheels, both have an engine, both have doors etc etc.
                              IIRC, the Fusion was originally going to be called the Mustang, till the Mustang folks heard about it and had a fit,

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