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  • JBinIll
    Senior Member
    • Apr 2010
    • 5608

    #1

    In the trenches-



    BRITISH Tommies stare into the camera in a lull in the fighting on the Western Front - just one of several remarkable photographs to have survived the carnage.
    Last edited by JBinIll; 07-29-2014, 04:46.
    A man with a sword may talk of peace.A man with out a sword may talk of peace,but he must talk very fast indeed.
  • SMOKEY
    Very Senior Member - OFC
    • Sep 2009
    • 4524

    #2
    Damn, isn't that goo? Visual proof that he is older than dirt.
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    • JB White
      Senior Member
      • Aug 2009
      • 13371

      #3
      Those periscope rifles had to be awful to fire. Always wondered how many actually fell to one of those.
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      • John Sukey
        Very Senior Member - OFC Deceased
        • Aug 2009
        • 12224

        #4
        I an sure quite a few germans fell to those rifles or they wouldn't have bothered to construct them. Sticking one's head over the parapet was an excellent way to get a hole in it. In fact dummy heads on a stick were used to locate the enemy snipers

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        • dave
          Senior Member
          • Aug 2009
          • 6778

          #5
          And who raised there head to see where the sniper was???
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          • Johan412th
            Senior Member
            • May 2014
            • 110

            #6
            What a bizzare war for R&D, to say the least. It's amazing how much war changed over the following 20 years...
            "I only get paid if I survive... And I like getting paid."

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            • JBinIll
              Senior Member
              • Apr 2010
              • 5608

              #7
              McBride's A Rifleman Went to War has quite a bit on how they located snipers in WW1 and sniping in the trenches.
              A man with a sword may talk of peace.A man with out a sword may talk of peace,but he must talk very fast indeed.

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              • Johan412th
                Senior Member
                • May 2014
                • 110

                #8
                That would be interesting to read. The First World War has always troubled me when it came to the concept of "modern" warfare. It was still such wholesale slaughter. Infantry tactics couldn't outmaneuver the machine gun.
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                • BruceHMX
                  Senior Member
                  • Oct 2010
                  • 515

                  #9
                  Also note the Long Lee beside him.

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                  • John Sukey
                    Very Senior Member - OFC Deceased
                    • Aug 2009
                    • 12224

                    #10
                    Originally posted by dave
                    And who raised there head to see where the sniper was???
                    That's why they had trench periscopes. I have one in the collection. The only thing sticking over the parapet is a one inch diameter pipe with a mirror in it. There were also wood periscopes with larger mirrors.
                    Once the sniper was located the usual reply was an artillery round.
                    There is a book on the subject called "Sniping in France"

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                    • JB White
                      Senior Member
                      • Aug 2009
                      • 13371

                      #11
                      I thought if a sniper round came in someone would yell, "Hey Hans, is that you?"

                      The sniper would stand up and reply, "No, it's Me...Fritz!!"
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                      • John Sukey
                        Very Senior Member - OFC Deceased
                        • Aug 2009
                        • 12224

                        #12
                        If you can find it on the net, the book "A rifleman went to war" by McBride is well worth reading

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                        • PhillipM
                          Very Senior Member - OFC
                          • Aug 2009
                          • 5937

                          #13
                          I spoke with a friend the other day whose father was in a machine gun platoon with a potato digger. His father said that one had to be really careful going down into a trench or shell hole after a gas attack because the gas was heavier than air and would just sit there. Many found out the hard way.
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                          "I am neither a fire arms nor a ballistics expert, but I was a combat infantry officer in the Great War, and I absolutely know that the bullet from an infantry rifle has to be able to shoot through things." General Douglas MacArthur

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                          • John Sukey
                            Very Senior Member - OFC Deceased
                            • Aug 2009
                            • 12224

                            #14
                            The reason we had "Potato diggers". The then chief of ordnance HATED Col. Lewis, and did his best to block adoption of the Lewis gun. His excuse? We need to test it, despite the fact it had been in use by the British since the start of the war!!!!!!
                            Yes, the Lewis was in .303 while we were using the 30-06 round, BUT that was a minor adjustment that could easily have been done at the factory.

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                            • mike webb
                              Senior Member
                              • Aug 2009
                              • 1735

                              #15
                              The Lewis gun was actually a pretty good light machine gun, much better then the Colt Browning. The Lewis also shot down a huge number of German aircraft as it was used extensively by the RAF in fighter aircraft.

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