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  • JWM
    Member
    • Oct 2011
    • 57
    #1

    Another James D. Julia Auction

    For those interested in collecting rifles that have roots in military sniping dating from the WWI era, or those who are advanced Winchester or Springfield 1903 collectors...here is a link to just such an ultra-rare rifle that left its mark in history:

    ULTRA-RARE WINCHESTER/SPRINGFIELD ARMORY SNIPER RIFLE TYPE NO. 2. - James D. Julia, Auctioneers
    http://jamesdjulia.com/item/3076-394/
    ULTRA-RARE WINCHESTER/SPRINGFIELD ARMORY SNIPER RIFLE TYPE NO. 2. Cal. 30-06. 26" extra heavy Winchester proofed bbl, the underside of which is marked 183855, MNS, VP (in an oval), 17?, 35, and 22 (for the year of manufacture 1922). An extreme rarity with approximately 4 known examples manufactured by Winchester utilizing Springfield Armory 1903 receivers. According to the late Lt. Col. William Brophy in his text, The Springfield 1903 Rifles , pgs 249-252, these rifles were only advertised in September, 1922, by Winchester in the Arms and the Man magazine. They were to be ordered through the company's Shooting Promotion Division. In the previous issue of the same publication dated August 15, 1922, in an article titled New Heavy Barreled Rifles Available, by Stephen Trask, the rifle was introduced and pictured as the Winchester Sniper Rifle Type No. 2, as advertised by the company. In the same year, examples of these rifles topped with Winchester A-5 Scopes were at the National Matches at Camp Perry, Ohio, and used by Captain Guy H. Emerson to win the highly coveted Wimbledon Cup with a record score of 100-15V, and by the K.M.A. team that fired a record setting score of 592x600 in the 1000 yard Herrick Trophy match. Custom made to order and extensively checkered walnut stocks with cheek rests, pistol grip with cap, and rubber butt pad were standard. This stock design was based on the sporting rifle manufactured by Springfield Armory for President Theodore Roosevelt. Also standard were bbls with a diameter of 1-1/8" at the breech and 7/8" at the muzzle, Lyman 48 receiver sights, and bbl based scope blocks. This Type No. 2 sniper rifle might be the only one in existence with an extra heavy bbl that measures 1-1/4" at the breech. Period sling. Weight 12 pounds.


    I also like the sniper rifle at Lot 3074:

    FANTASTIC ORIGINAL SPRINGFIELD USMC M1952 MC-1 GARAND RIFLE WITH KOLLMORGAN SCOPE. - James D. Julia, Auctioneers
    http://jamesdjulia.com/item/3074-394/
    FANTASTIC ORIGINAL SPRINGFIELD USMC M1952 MC-1 GARAND RIFLE WITH KOLLMORGAN SCOPE. Cal. 30-06. This is an absolutely superb original United States Marine Corp USMC MC-1 Garand complete with original sling and even the original properly marked "Stith Kollmorgan Telescopic Sight Model 4XD-USMC" cardboard box for the scope. This rifle is in the proper SN range. Telescope mount rings, scope (marked "MC 1087-P" with correct Sith Mounts markings at rear) are all proper for this gun. Base screws have not been staked but this is common for Marine Corps rifles. Rubber scope covers marked, "1203 Broadway, Yakima, W.N.". Barrel is marked "6 52". Bolt marked "D28287-12SA". Leather sling marked "MILSCO 1944". No cheek pad present on stock which is marked "S.A." within square cartouche on left side stock with Serif "P" at pistol grip. Consignor is a known advanced rifle collector.


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    • Promo
      Senior Member
      • Jun 2011
      • 335
      #2
      James, is only the Winchester rifle from your collection, or also the M1C rifle?

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        • JWM
          Member
          • Oct 2011
          • 57
          #3
          Originally posted by Promo
          James, is only the Winchester rifle from your collection, or also the M1C rifle?
          Promo, yes, only the Winchester is from my collection. The M1C is just another one that caught my fancy like it does with so many of us here.

          Thanks for the question.

          James

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            • Promo
              Senior Member
              • Jun 2011
              • 335
              #4
              James, I wish you best luck in selling this marvellous piece!

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                • JWM
                  Member
                  • Oct 2011
                  • 57
                  #5
                  Many thanks for the kind words, Promo. I hope it sells and finds a really good home and good keeper as it is, indeed, a very special rifle in so many historical respects.

                  The last one of these that I recall seeing was also sold through a Julia auction in 2010. The bluing and overall condition of the metal of the one from my collection appears to be a bit better, plus it has checkering on the grip and forend and not just on the grip. This last feature and, perhaps, the extra heavy barrel set it aside from the other known examples, all of such examples to my knowledge, vary one way or another. The one that sold in in 2010 looks to be missing the upper sling swivel, but is the only other one that is known to me to have the exact same style cheek rest. It might also represent the 5th known example of a Type No. 2 according to Brophy, provided that he was not aware of it at the time he wrote the letter that accompanies the current auction. Here is a link to the 2010 Julia auction if you have not seen it before:

                  *ULTRA-RARE WINCHESTER-SPRINGFIELD ARMORY TYPE 2 "SNIPER" RIFLE. - James D. Julia, Auctioneers
                  http://jamesdjulia.com/item/lot-1032a-ultra-rare-winchester-springfield-armory-type-2-sniper-rifle-39207/
                  Lot 1032A. *ULTRA-RARE WINCHESTER-SPRINGFIELD ARMORY TYPE 2 "SNIPER" RIFLE. (39207)


                  Thanks, again, for the comments.

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                    • Promo
                      Senior Member
                      • Jun 2011
                      • 335
                      #6
                      The problem I see is that a few years ago people were willing to spend much more on those rifles, than they seem to do nowadays. I remember M1903 Rod Bayonet rifles to frequently sell for $50,000+, the same applies for Pedersen Devices. The just a few days ago happened Rock Island Auction sold both of these items for around $35,000. But I wish you best luck in that this won't apply to your rifle, and that it will sell in the estimated area! Does James D. Julia place a minimum bid on this item, which is coordinated with you?

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                        • John Sukey
                          Very Senior Member - OFC Deceased
                          • Aug 2009
                          • 12224
                          #7
                          Odd, I have a trapdoor Springfield with the same type of bayonet.

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                            • JWM
                              Member
                              • Oct 2011
                              • 57
                              #8
                              Originally posted by Promo
                              James, I wish you best luck in selling this marvellous piece!
                              Promo,

                              Sorry that I did not get back to you earlier, however, this was my first attempt to use an auction house and the contract noted that reserve type information was confidential. That said, unfortunately, the rifle did not meet the reserve price so it is being returned to me. Should you ever come across a person that desires such a piece, please send them my way!

                              James

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                                • Promo
                                  Senior Member
                                  • Jun 2011
                                  • 335
                                  #9
                                  Hey James,
                                  if you don't remember, I'm also the one who got the Winchester stuff (scope and mounts) from you! I know your rifle since you already back then told me about it. It's hard for me to tell a real price on this piece. It's definately rare, but on the other hand something for the very advanced collector. Being more a hybrid (not really a Springfield Armory M1903, but also not really being a Winchester rifle), it also doesn't fit that well into a certain collection.
                                  Coming across such a rifle on a gunshow, I would not be willing to pay a five digits sum for it. But again, that is just something I feel and the other auction is proof that I am wrong. I don't know how much you have had in it, but did you try it to let it run at gunbroker in an auction and see how far it gets?

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                                    • JWM
                                      Member
                                      • Oct 2011
                                      • 57
                                      #10
                                      Originally posted by Promo
                                      Hey James,
                                      if you don't remember, I'm also the one who got the Winchester stuff (scope and mounts) from you! I know your rifle since you already back then told me about it. It's hard for me to tell a real price on this piece. It's definately rare, but on the other hand something for the very advanced collector. Being more a hybrid (not really a Springfield Armory M1903, but also not really being a Winchester rifle), it also doesn't fit that well into a certain collection.
                                      Coming across such a rifle on a gunshow, I would not be willing to pay a five digits sum for it. But again, that is just something I feel and the other auction is proof that I am wrong. I don't know how much you have had in it, but did you try it to let it run at gunbroker in an auction and see how far it gets?
                                      What a big surprise! I hope you and your family are all doing well! Thanks for replying to my post old friend!

                                      You are right on all thoughts and points as I see it too.

                                      I have sent you an email.

                                      James

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