M14 G&H Bracket, Mount and M82

[Cecil]

What's the consensus on this rig? It's G&H with a verified(Dave McClain) numbered mount.

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[M1Garandy]

FWIW, I have seen a couple of other brackets just like that. They were represented to be USGI and I had no reason to doubt that they are/were. I don’t have any of them handy but I have a couple of books on the M-14 and/or US Sniper rifles with that type of set pictured IIRC.

[Johnny in Texas]

Cecil post a picture of just the M14 bracket I will post pics of the 2 I have.

[Cass]

Cecil:

I took some close-ups to the one I have and sent to Dave McClain. He thought that based on others he has seen and the milling marks it appeared to be correct. Unfortunately, I lost the close-ups in a recent computer problem or I would post them now.

There were some commercial mounts made by Pete Michaels in the early 70's that were very similar to the Army Weapons Command version.

Here is a link to a post on another forum with some pictures:

http://www.m14tfl.com/upload/showthread.php?t=81356

Cass

[Johnny in Texas]

I do not think G&H made any of these brackets They were made by the AMTU originaly accordinG to Peter Senich

[Dan in NY]

I have a minty M1A NM from the late 70's, early 80's that would look awesome with any one of those scope/mount combos....Thanks for posting...Can I ask what one of those combos is worth?
$500? $1000? $2000?...Just want to know how deep I have to get the slush fund...

[Cass]

Thanks for the correction Johnny. I just re-looked at my 2 Senich books and he does seem to say they were fabricated by the AMTU and developed by the AWC/RIA. I think I picked up the G&H from Iannamico, the Last Steel Warrior where he refers to the "Griffin & Howe mounting bracket", but probably was actually referring to the mount. I'll correct the message above.

Cass

[Johnny in Texas]

Cas I have seen these made by others also I had one that had a name stamped inside. Te blued one in my pick looks exactly like the picture in Senich's book U.S. sniping.

[Cass]

I have a minty M1A NM from the late 70's, early 80's that would look awesome with any one of those scope/mount combos....Thanks for posting...Can I ask what one of those combos is worth?
$500? $1000? $2000?...Just want to know how deep I have to get the slush fund...

Hi Dan:

I've accumulated these over a number of years, but the demand has gotten fairly high these days. The AWC combo would probably sell for close to $1500 these days. The AR-TEL's (middle of the first picture and top of the second picture) seem to range from $1500 to $2500 with the aluminum can. The ART II's in the top of the first picture seem to range from $1200 to $1500 with the fiberglas can.

Cass

[Johnny in Texas]

I have always wondered why you never see this combination in Vietnam photos.

[Cass]

Ha, I like that set-up! But they probably didn't want to have to issue a stepladder with it so you could get high enough to see through the scope.

When you think about it though, the time-line for the Kollmorgen and MC-1 mount is actually a lot closer than the M84 and WWII mount.

Is that the first type or second type scope? In need to find a nice FSN marked Kollmorgen to go with a mount I picked up last year.

Cass

[Johnny in Texas]

Yea it is high but you could a cheek pad. This one is the late FSN marked scope. I have never seen a MC-52 in any Vietnam photos either.

[Cecil]

Cecil post a picture of just the M14 bracket I will post pics of the 2 I have.

Hi Johnny,
Sorry for the delay.
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[Johnny in Texas]

Cecil your bracket seems to have the same left side profile of the one Cass has. I have now seen 3 different types of these mounts just based on machining techniques.That I see here.

[Cecil]

Hi Johnny,
So what's the consensus? Are they real or memorex?