My 03a4 replica

[Match223]

The Lyman Alaskan is a 1 moa adjustment scope, when I adjusted it from 300 to 600 at Butner in the spring I went up 12 clicks (Minutes) and was in the black.

[pelago]

what was your 300 setting??

ya know i wondered about that, not sure if 1944 shooting with hunting type scopes worried about 1`/4 moa adjustments..

l am not sure what .020 shim thickness did to overall group, but they are now removed and we shall see

have a 48" high target backing, going to put a 1 MOA cross about 2/3 up from bottem, then a magic marker line from top to bottom, then go to mech zero at 25 yards and let fly, then work it back to 100 yards

be interesting

[Match223]

I went to Butner all I had was a 100 yd zero, I went up 6 (6 min) clicks to start my sighters @ 300, added some elevation and wind after the first shot but was in the ten / X before the 6 sighters were finished. Then it was 12 up (12 min) from 300 to 600 with adjustments to get it to the 10 ring. It will definately get you close.

[pelago]

cool!!

i shot a russian nagant and it was not mine, i shot with a young man named robert. i had mine, but it had serious trigger issues (took two men and a boy to pull trigger, probably ten lb) was quite surprised at how i did, 142/10 for the 600, took some getting used to it cold at the three hundred

okay, now for the ammo, what were you using, i am using lake city case, winch primer, 168gr hpbt smk
48 gr 3064

i wonder how they will modify the 'match', i did not like the 'group' sighters, and that did not really allow for two shooters?? liked the team aspect of it though, but i enjoyed myself

[Match223]

My team member and I had enough of the Hornady Garand ammo left over from Perry last year to get us thru the match, the original Rem barrel liked it. I liked the format, I had shot ot at 100 yards to get the zero so my teammate shot the sighters (there is no way both shooters can shoot sighters at either stage) and I gave him corrections with the spotting scope.
I was on the little end, I was shooting next to a USMC Sniper 1903 and a 1903A4, the guys we scored for shot a Mosin on our point.
The only part that I didn't like was the 600 yard walk.
I don't have a clue what they might change, as long as they keep it fun I'm in.

Gary

[pelago]

i wonder if it wasn't you that scored for us?? we had a russian, and my last round was a squib or something went way wrong with it but our score keepers also shot a a4 and we were on the little end, i shot with a young man named robert, big kid, but only 14, real nice young man, we were shooting factory ammo

i did not like the fact that the team had to shoot one rifle, or rather the way it was set up you had to shoot same rifle

and i agree just make it fun, i enjoyed it

[Match223]

I think that was me, the young shooters dad was helping your team with the spotting scope. Your Mosin went down with a scope problem right at the start and you both used the same rifle for the rest of the match.
I was in the pits on your last relay and I think the last round was off the mark.
The 03A4gery I had was built on a Remington 1903 receiver with a Lyman Alaskan on it, I remember you talking about building one for next year and it sounds like you succeeded. I finished the build a week before we left TN for NC and the finish was still wet.

Gary

[pelago]

yup. that was us, the last shot sort of went "small bang, wierd heat trail, no idea where it went" But, Robert said "what in the hell was that, the vapor trail was in a circle??"

but all in all i was surprised at how the russian did. had some scope issues i inadvertantly got off windage, (talk about crude) but once got in in the groove it liked the ten ring

but i am really looking forward to the 03A4 next spring

i will shoot it tomorrow and do some more scope sight adj, i think with the shims gone i will have plenty of elevation adj, and i was impressed with the first go around

[Match223]

Dang it's a small world, you were gone by the time I made the 600 yd walk back, your first name starts with an I (it was on the back of your coat I think), is Robert shooting with you next year?
I just finished a second 1903A4gery and will be working out the kinks next week, I will have one zeroed for 300 yds and one zeroed for 600 yards, I used a Remington 1903A3 for this one. I'll be hand loading for next spring, thinking of using Serria 175's.
If you still don't have enough elevation put the shim in the rear at the dovetail.
You will find the Springfield much more comfortable to shoot than the Russian due to the low scope.

Gary

[pelago]

cool, still wonder what happened to the last round, it was kind of a bang/pffffft sound and Bob looking in scope said "what the heck, thing corkscrewed down range" corkscrewed to oblivion i guess, but it was still fun,

I wonder if it will become a fixture for the games, hope so

but as i said i was surptised at how well the russian did, i had to put a glove on the stock for my cheek to rest on, damn scope so high, but could hit the ten ring with it, but dont touch it once its there

My A4 coming along fine, have you thought of parkerizing yours, I am thiniking of Issac in south carolina
been told he does superb work, bit slow due to having to have multible guns for using the tanks and all the liquids requires more than a couple of guns to make money, but i understand that

I put a M1D cheek piece on mine, because i have seen picutes of the A4 with them and does make a difference to me anyway

shot it from sling and kept in the ten ring at 100 yards with reduced target

that was with my copy of the hornady load 168 gr copycat, want to try some 175's also

[Match223]

I had mine re-parked (action, barrel, handguard band, scope base & trigger guard) here in TN @ CCA, I have also had Scott in Hendersonville, NC @ FORSCO re-park some of my stuff over the years and he does a good job when you can catch him. My new rifle has been re-parked with all the small parts re-blued and it looks fantastic, I'm waiting on the scope to get returned before I post a pic of the rifle.

[pelago]

now this one has me confused

i had shims in the front scope base, two of them total was ,020, took them out thinking that i would gain some elevation

i lost elevation??

had to add another ten minutes to achieve same results with the shims in

replaced shims will re shoot tomorrow

[George in NH]

Sir,
To gain elevation using shims, shim the rear only. Do not use more than three shims as doing so will put too much strain on the tube. I was using a Leupold scope, two piece base set and rings and I could not get to 600 yards. I called Leupold, they explained the problem and sent me (free) a shim
set. The tech advised me to use not more than three shims and he thought that two would do the job.
It did. HTH, George in NH

[pelago]

I am not puting shims under the tube

"i had shims in the front scope base, two of them total was ,020, took them out thinking that i would gain some elevation"

now these shims were under the front of the scope base, not in contact with tube at all

the shims actually were between the redfield base and the receiver, as in the instructions and notes from AR worksheet

never thought of shims under the tube, that would require some creativity, but the shims as it came from the army were under the scope base

but still the question remains, or am i just way off in thinking, if you raise the scope in front you lower the bullet strike??? or is that not true... not at all a scope pro, comfortable with iron sights and if i raise iron sights the strike is lower, lower iron sights and strike is higher, but today it sure was not the case

i had to add ten inches or ten clicks of elevation to duplidcate the previous shots


i have shimmed scope tubes, by cutting .010 brass and laying it in the tube and bending it, then coated tube with release agent and took steel wool to scope ring and mixed up some JB Weld and put a dab in the spot and put scope on and tightened enough to make a new base
(NEEDED MORE ELEVATION TO SHOOT AR10 BEYOND 600)

it worked, some judicious filing and cleaning up and the scope base has a new area for new lift and i now have enough elevation to shoot from 200 yards to 1000 yards with Weaver T36 on a AR10, with a bipod it holds the tne ring at 1K yards

[Match223]

Removal of the shims in the front should have made you subtract elevation instead of adding unless they were not in contact to the base / receiver to start with.
Were you at the top of your scopes elevation to start with?
There is no way the scope is hitting the handguard?
Hmmmmmmmmm????