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  • Johnny in Texas
    Senior Member
    • Mar 2010
    • 2201

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    M84 scope manufacturers I read somewhere years back

    That the M84 was manufactured by Libby Owens Ford and by Leupold and Stevens I cannot find the source of this info. Does any one here recall this written up by anyone.

    Started on M1 forum: http://www.jouster.com/forums/showth...cope-Questions
    Last edited by Johnny in Texas; 12-18-2010, 05:53.
  • jgaynor
    Senior Member
    • Nov 2009
    • 1287

    #2
    Johnny, There is a picture of an M84's Govt style packaging Marked Libby Owens Ford (dated Jan 53 s/n 34XXX) in Senich's Complete book of US Sniping. I read somehwere about leupold and Steven being involved but like you i don't remember where. On one of these forums a poster recently started a project collecting information from M84 data plates for what its worth there seem to be two distinct styles. One that has a white rectangular suround for the s/n and one that does not (???) Whether thai has anything to do with the maufacturer i don't know.

    FWIW there is an excellent article on "US Sniping Rifles" By M.D. Waite in the June 1965 American Rifleman. There is a picture of an M84 that has distinctly different w&e knobs than what you typically see. Whether it was an early prototype or what I don't know.

    Link to the other discussion with references to L & S:
    I am researching data plates found on U.S. M84 sniper scopes for a project to sort out the different data plate variations by their serial numbers. If you have an M84 sniper scope, posting a picture of the data plate would be appreciated. I am posting a photo of my M84 data plate as an example...



    Regards,

    Jim
    Last edited by jgaynor; 12-19-2010, 10:12. Reason: added link

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    • Johnny in Texas
      Senior Member
      • Mar 2010
      • 2201

      #3
      I saw the gunboards post also. I am trying to locate the article on L&S m84's here are some pics of the variations I have.

      From left to right : Late LOF drawing # location/ early LOF note black data plate screws/ late LOF data plate silver screws/ L & S data plate no border around s/n and drawing # on the tube to the right of the data plate I have seen the L&S type in the 11,xxx --15,xxx s/n range if you have an M84 with border s/n in 11,000 ---15,000 post it please.
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      Last edited by Johnny in Texas; 12-19-2010, 12:37.

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      • Tom in N.J.
        Senior Member
        • Aug 2009
        • 307

        #4
        There was also a third manufacturer of USGI M84 scopes, in addition to Libby-Owens-Ford and Leupold-Stevens. I have a good friend who is in the process of doing an article on these scopes. I'll wait for him to identify the third. (I do know who it is, but not the particulars). L-S scope second from the top.
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        Last edited by Tom in N.J.; 12-26-2010, 07:32.

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        • Cass
          Senior Member
          • Aug 2009
          • 268

          #5
          R. Wendel, Inc. is the 3rd manufacturer that I had recorded, based on some discussion here in 1999.

          Cass

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          • jgaynor
            Senior Member
            • Nov 2009
            • 1287

            #6
            Originally posted by Tom in N.J.
            There was also a third manufacturer of USGI M84 scopes, in addition to Libby-Owens-Ford and Leupold-Stevens. I have a good friend who is in the process of doing an article on these scopes. I'll wait for him to identify the third. (I do know who it is, but not the particulars). L-S scope second from the top.
            Tom, has your friend identified a publisher yet?

            Regards,

            Jim
            ANJRPC
            Cherry Ridge

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            • tazaroo
              Member
              • Mar 2011
              • 47

              #7
              Originally posted by Johnny in Texas
              I saw the gunboards post also. I am trying to locate the article on L&S m84's here are some pics of the variations I have.

              From left to right : Late LOF drawing # location/ early LOF note black data plate screws/ late LOF data plate silver screws/ L & S data plate no border around s/n and drawing # on the tube to the right of the data plate I have seen the L&S type in the 11,xxx --15,xxx s/n range if you have an M84 with border s/n in 11,000 ---15,000 post it please.
              Here is a pic of a Leupold M84 that I have in the 13,000 range along with a LOF:


              This being my first post.........................Hi folks!! Some here may know my name from over at gunboards, CMP or arfcom. Hopefully I can contribute and learn something hear also.
              Last edited by tazaroo; 03-18-2011, 06:45.

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              • Johnny in Texas
                Senior Member
                • Mar 2010
                • 2201

                #8
                Welcome Tazaroo! What is the M1C s/n on the mount in the top pic if you don't mind sharing? Nice scopes and mounts. The bottom M84 looks bent in the pic must be the angle of the picture?
                Last edited by Johnny in Texas; 03-18-2011, 07:05.

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                • tazaroo
                  Member
                  • Mar 2011
                  • 47

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Johnny in Texas
                  Welcome Tazaroo! What is the M1C s/n on the mount in the top pic if you don't mind sharing? Nice scopes and mounts. The bottom M84 looks bent in the pic must be the angle of the picture?
                  The number on the base is 3454203. The bottom M84 does look bent. I freaked out for a quick minute until I realized it must have been the angle of the shot. Both scopes are straight as an arrow. Any thoughts as to when these two were made?

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                  • Johnny in Texas
                    Senior Member
                    • Mar 2010
                    • 2201

                    #10
                    M84's I have seen still in boxes were dated '52 and '53 , some were probably made in '51 as well based on M1D barrel dates. This speculation based on various observations and articles I have read about U.S. sniper production after WWII. I think there were aroiund 26,000 M1D's built t S.A. and I think there are M84 s/n's over 40,000 probably no later than '54 in my opinion.

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                    • Tom in N.J.
                      Senior Member
                      • Aug 2009
                      • 307

                      #11
                      Johnny in Texas,.. I have L-O-F M84 # 47952, I have no idea how high they went.

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                      • five 0
                        Member
                        • Aug 2009
                        • 55

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Johnny in Texas
                        M84's I have seen still in boxes were dated '52 and '53 , some were probably made in '51 as well based on M1D barrel dates. This speculation based on various observations and articles I have read about U.S. sniper production after WWII. I think there were aroiund 26,000 M1D's built t S.A. and I think there are M84 s/n's over 40,000 probably no later than '54 in my opinion.
                        Tazaroo posted on CMP the following about the serial number on the M84 on the bottom of his picture. May want to confirm the serial number as that is much higher than 40,000

                        The M84 on the C does not have the white border around the serial number and the number is 13488 and the number on the tube is 7667424. The M84 on the D has the white border around the number and the number is 80880.
                        Last edited by five 0; 03-19-2011, 01:39.

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                        • tazaroo
                          Member
                          • Mar 2011
                          • 47

                          #13
                          Originally posted by five 0
                          Tazaroo posted on CMP the following about the serial number on the M84 on the bottom of his picture. May want to confirm the serial number as that is much higher than 40,000

                          The M84 on the C does not have the white border around the serial number and the number is 13488 and the number on the tube is 7667424. The M84 on the D has the white border around the number and the number is 80880.
                          I have stared at the number and I guess the 8 could be a 3. The white border overlaps the first digit slightly on the left side of the number so it could be a 3. It's either 80880 or 30880. Whats the highest number observed by anyone here on a LOF M84?

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                          • Johnny in Texas
                            Senior Member
                            • Mar 2010
                            • 2201

                            #14
                            I would say it is a 3 I have never seen any over 4XXXX

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                            • Co2Chief1947
                              Junior Member
                              • Oct 2012
                              • 8

                              #15
                              M84 with 1955 Raritan Arsenal tag, Maker ?

                              Just joined the forum and I was reading the old threads, I have a M 84 that I purchased for my CMP M1D it is a early SN with a Raritan Arsenal tag dated 7/23/55 with the rifle SN it was mounted at the time of the inspection /repair. I am unsure if it's LOF or a LS. Below is the post and pictures from the CMP forums. I appreciate any help. Thanks Richie

                              I thought I would post pictures of my M84 scope that I recently purchased, it has a Raritan Arsenal Inspection/Repair tag dated 7-1955 with the scope SN 9789,Inspector name and Rifle it was attached to SN 866870. Just thought is it kind of rare and I would share it. I don't believe the scope was used after coming out of the Arsenal. Optics are crystal clear. Anyone got 866870? Original owner found it in a yard sale find in Mich.I got a good buy but it wasn't a yard sale price.

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