Con sidering buying a buba'd Remington Mosin Nagant

[Guamsst]

Split rear bridge makes mounting scope a pain. not much can be done with the safety, trigger upgrades are pricey compared to Mauser's and while we are on Mauser's more stock options more trigger options more barrel options just more options with a Mauser. Oh and I agree unless you just want a project they are money pits and I have done a few Mauser's and one Mosin sporter.

Ok, that makes sense. As I have said many times before. I don't understand what makes people think that they are going to improve a gun designed by an engineer, researched by the military and produced in an arsenal....by taking a hacksaw to it in their garage...LOL

[Art]

None of these sporters based on military actions are anything like cost effective by today's standards. Back when the rifles and actions were cheap it was a different story. I saw a really pretty M1903A3 sporter with a nice commercial walnut stock with good figure and the telescopic sight included in a local gun shop this week......$275.00 for the whole set up. Looking at the rifle I figure the original owner had about that much in the whole set up when it was done originally. Today, that 03A3 even if it was a total mixmaster beater originally, which it wasn't by the way, would go for more than twice the asking price in that store. I have a 1917 mfg No.1 Mk. III* FTR 1955 straight from storage and in really nice shape. I got it for $17.00 and turned it into a perfectly satisfactory sporter for brush hunting. I also wrecked it's current value, it wouldn't sell for $75.00 today which is less than its original cost adjusted for inflation. But hey, they were a dime a dozen then.

[randy langford]

If you know someone that has a welder and knows how to properly do it welding on on a new bolt handle is no big deal just make sure they know to use a heat sink.

[edporch]

Please check carefully before shooting this-- a large number of these Remington Mosin Nagants were bored out to 30-06 ( I think by Bannerman's). I once bought one myself and the dealer didn't mention the conversion-- and the barrels wasn't marked to reflect the new chambering --I brought it back. I don't believe it's safe to shoot modern 30-06 rounds in these.

I too bought a sporterized 1918 Remington Mosin Nagant some years back.
I usually hate sporters, but the Remington caught my eye, as well as the pristiness of it.
The sporterizing job appears to be a quality job.

It doesn't look like any of the Bannerman pictures I've seen, and when I try to put a 30.06 round in the chamber, it won't go in all the way, whereas a 7.62x54R will.
So a I assume it's still in it's original caliber.

But this still begs the question that I don't know what I have, because the workmanship is too good to be a "Bubba" job.

[Marcus]

Photos would help a lot.

A lot of the U.S. Remington and Westinghouse Mosins that remained in the U.S. were sold off to Bannerman and other firms, and as I recall were also sold by the government through the NRA IIRC. Many of these were "sporterized" to some degree or another. Also, Interarms imported Finnish issue/captured and Spanish Civil War Mosins back in the 1950's and they cut many of them down into sporters.

For a bolt handle, the Soviet sniper pattern is one of the best. The best sniper style bolts I've seen were by a guy in New York named Mike Battersby - these were indistinguishable from originals. Max Shepherd supposedly does real good work too, but I haven't seen one of his bolts in person so I can't comment. Jim "Boltman" Roberts over at Gunboards also does nice Mosin sniper and custom bolts, but examples of his sniper bolts I've seen were not as good as Mike Battersby's.

Stay away from any of that ATI crap as far as stocks, scope mounts, or those stupid junk bolt handles of theirs. And that "Archangel" "dildo stock" is a horrible, ugly, nasty looking piece of trash that looks like some kind of plastic sex toy that gay space aliens from the planet Uranus stick up each other's butts. Kind of like "Star Trek" meets Rock Hudson, Elton John, and Freddy Mercury.

The best scope mount setup for a Mosin would either be a PE top-mount mount with 1 inch rings - available from Accumounts in Troy, Michigan, or one of the recent PU style setups that allow you to use Weaver rings - these are getting kind of hard to find these days. Also, if you get a PU base (again, Accumounts hast these) there is a guy on Gunboards and Calguns - 6mmintl - who makes a mount setup that fits the PU base and will allow you to use a large modern scope.

With straight, original U.S. Mosin M1891 rifles running from $500 to $1,000, even the sporterized ones have some value and collector interest. Besides the historical interest of these guns, even chopped up ones, they are a .30-06 class rifle, made by a top quality American maker. I've seen some beautiful old sporters based on these rifles - I believe Teddy Roosevelt and one, and his Bolshevik nephew Franklin had a very nice custom Mosin hunting rifle that he got from his Marxist butt buddy Joe "The Butcher" Stalin. Back in the late 1990's there were a few articles in "American Rifleman" concerning Mosins, including one where the author duplicated a very nice Mosin based custom rifle from the 1920's.

[kcw]

None of these sporters based on military actions are anything like cost effective by today's standards. Back when the rifles and actions were cheap it was a different story. I saw a really pretty M1903A3 sporter with a nice commercial walnut stock with good figure and the telescopic sight included in a local gun shop this week......$275.00 for the whole set up. Looking at the rifle I figure the original owner had about that much in the whole set up when it was done originally. Today, that 03A3 even if it was a total mixmaster beater originally, which it wasn't by the way, would go for more than twice the asking price in that store. I have a 1917 mfg No.1 Mk. III* FTR 1955 straight from storage and in really nice shape. I got it for $17.00 and turned it into a perfectly satisfactory sporter for brush hunting. I also wrecked it's current value, it wouldn't sell for $75.00 today which is less than its original cost adjusted for inflation. But hey, they were a dime a dozen then.

Something else that made "sporterizing" cost effective back in the day were the so called "Fair Trade" laws then in effect in most states. Under "Fair Trade" the retail price of guns (and most other manufactured products) was dictated by the manufacturer. Of course that result in a complete lack of price competition between retail outlets. The idea of discounting was largely unheard of. If a retailer decided to sell below that price point without the premission of the manufacturer he'd find his supply cut off. I clearly recall buying my first new gun in 1967, a Remington Wingmaster. The price was exactly the same, $129.95, regardless as to whether you called the little old gun shop in the village or that nice, new K-Mart that they'd just built in the cornfield on the edge of town.