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  • John Sukey
    Very Senior Member - OFC Deceased
    • Aug 2009
    • 12224

    #1

    DO you folks remember

    Many years ago some people were saying you should etch your name and social security number on your guns so they could be identified? Not only did the perp get your gun, but he also got your identification!

    I once bought a gun like that. Fortunately the crap could be polished off and reblued. BUT If i had been a crook, it would have been a license to steal
  • Dave in NGA
    Senior Member
    • Jun 2010
    • 968

    #2
    From time to time I see an example of a fine pistol for sale with the social security number of some previous owner etched on the frame. Not only does it look bad, but it puts a serious dent in the value of the piece. I once saw a guy try to sell his deceased father's Colt collection at a dealer in Greenville, SC. I thought the dealer was going to have a coronary when he picked up the fine examples of early SAA's and saw where the son had engraved the father's social security number on each gun. The son said he was afraid the guns would get stolen and this same 'fear' lead him to sell the guns. Seems his father had told him they were very valuable and to be careful of thieves. I'll bet the father was spinning in his grave when his son took the electro pencil to each of his treasures.

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    • jgaynor
      Senior Member
      • Nov 2009
      • 1287

      #3
      If you MUST mark your property your driver's license number is a much better choice (with an indicator of the state of issue of course).
      The cops have much more ready access to the DL info.

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      • JBinIll
        Senior Member
        • Apr 2010
        • 5608

        #4
        Originally posted by John Sukey
        Many years ago some people were saying you should etch your name and social security number on your guns so they could be identified? Not only did the perp get your gun, but he also got your identification!

        I once bought a gun like that. Fortunately the crap could be polished off and reblued. BUT If i had been a crook, it would have been a license to steal
        I once drove a long ways to an estate auction that had a Colt revolver that I wanted.When I saw they had done that to it I turned around and drove back home.What a waste.
        A man with a sword may talk of peace.A man with out a sword may talk of peace,but he must talk very fast indeed.

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        • joem
          Senior Member, Deceased
          • Aug 2009
          • 11835

          #5
          I bought a pistol at auction and under the grip was the guys name and SS number.

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          • Corps 8404
            Junior Member
            • Jan 2010
            • 29

            #6
            I once bought a rifle via online auction. The seller did indicate there was a "shiny spot" in the finish under the receiver. Turns out that the piece was fine, as advertised, and purchased for a fair price. When I subsequently scrutinized the "shiny spot," it was evident that someone's etched (not electro-penciled luckily) initials had been removed. It was virtually pristine other than that, and I use it as a shooter. Have never had a need/desire to reblue the area.

            I honestly can't understand the motivation/logic that compels people to destroy otherwise fine firearms. I've always subscribed to the philosophy "If it ain't broke, don't fix it." I'm so anal, that hopefully some (or all) of my arms will hopefully someday be displayed in a museum as specimens that are "as-manufactured."

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            • John Sukey
              Very Senior Member - OFC Deceased
              • Aug 2009
              • 12224

              #7
              I do have a revolver with a guy's name scratched on it, but in this case...... Lt. Spowart R.E.
              And another with two names scratched on the side, both Scots Lieutenants going by the names.
              I consider these scratches a plus.
              The Royal Engineer did survive the war as his name was on the Army list after the war.

              (WW1 in both cases)

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              • Griff Murphey
                Senior Member
                • Aug 2009
                • 3708

                #8
                Most of this was done in the 60's. Until then, most people left their houses unlocked, at least in Texas. In the mid to late 60's, early 70's, there was a meteoric rise in home burglaries. At the time, Major LE agencies, and some dealers, would recommend this. Incidentally, Corps, I would say any gun with DL/SS numbers ground or polished off probably IS stolen, or was at some point in its life. At the same time there were reports of police in small towns confiscating guns out of cars. So I did mark three of mine. Yes, the two I have done that way, should I offer them for sale, have been decreased in value (but I have no plans to do that). I have a Smith M-59 out there that has my Texas Drivers' license# under the grip, which was in fact stolen...
                Last edited by Griff Murphey; 10-27-2010, 08:39.

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                • Herschel
                  Senior Member
                  • Aug 2009
                  • 973

                  #9
                  Before the National Crime Information Center (NCIC) came into existance people had to improvise some way of marking their property to identify it. Since NCIC now has a national data base of stolen property which is available to law enforcement agencies the improvised identification systems are obsolete. A person should simply keep a record of the make, model and serial number of any item that has a serial number. That information can be provided to law enforcement when reporting stolen property. If the stolen item is ever checked for stolen by any law enforcement agency the reporting agency and listing agency are instantly notified if the item is in the data base as having been stolen.

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                  • Corps 8404
                    Junior Member
                    • Jan 2010
                    • 29

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Griff Murphey
                    I would say any gun with DL/SS numbers ground or polished off probably IS stolen, or was at some point in its life. ...
                    With all respect, since the beginning of my "shooting life", I've always been certain to obtain a well-documented receipt for ANY firearm that's come into my custody, as well as for those I've sold. Logic dictates that in the legal sense, a documented factory-stamped serial number will supercede any home-made inscription.

                    If I were to inherit, then subsequently sell an"inscribed" collection vial FFL, I don't think I'd want to leave an ssn, or any personal info on it...I doubt the purchaser would want it like that either.

                    JMHO

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                    • Devil Dog
                      Senior Member
                      • Aug 2009
                      • 450

                      #11
                      I think the reason some people mark (deface) their names on things is the same reason dogs mark their territory.

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                      • raymeketa
                        Senior Member
                        • Dec 2010
                        • 884

                        #12
                        Don't forget where you are guys. Everyone here is a gun nut and etching a name and number on a firearm is a no-no. But, not everyone feels about guns the way we do. I scratch my name and phone number on my cell phone just in case I lose it. Nerds would probably chastise me for that. Most of the really expensive tools in my garage have my name etched on them. How many of you have your girlfriend's name inked on your body somewhere? Everything is relative.

                        JMHO
                        Last edited by raymeketa; 10-21-2013, 01:46.

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                        • GA-Dave
                          Senior Member
                          • Sep 2009
                          • 289

                          #13
                          A few years ago I was in a gunshop that was selling an estate and there were several BARs with high quality scopes in the lot. All of the rifles had a GA drivers license number electro-penciled on the side of the receiver so the shop priced the rifles at the replacement cost of the scopes and still had a hard time movig them. It was a shame because the rifles looked to be nearly new.

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                          • Doug Douglass
                            Senior Member
                            • Aug 2009
                            • 2264

                            #14
                            Three times I have found identifing slips of paper under the butt plate of rifles I bought. One slip dated 1932 in an early M52 had the guys name and address plus the heading, STOLEN FROM

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                            • oldtirediron
                              Senior Member
                              • Jan 2010
                              • 242

                              #15
                              My first 1903 Springfield!!

                              Sometime around 1966 I scrapped together the ungodly sum of $70.00 and had my father purchase me a 1903 high Numbered Rock Island arsenal rifle!! It is in the 426,000 serial number range and has an RIA 1922 dated barrel on it!! Anyway this rifle was lent out by a family member while I was away at college never to return !! Anyway 27+ years later I recieved a phone call from an acquaintance that asked me if I ever owned a rifle like this! he was cleaning the rifle and as in the 1960's people used to put a piece of paper under the buttplate with the owners name on it! I had also wrote my name in the wood under the barrel on ths rifle in old fashioned fountain pen ink!! I was able to get the rifle back and trace it back to the theif who was an acquaintance of my brother!! He was real suprised when I showed up at his door and told him that a stolen weapon report had been made out on this rifle and if I didn't receive the money he got for it immediately problems would happen!! So I bought this rifle when i was 14 years old, lost it when I was 20 and got it back when I was 42 years old!! When I bought it 30-06 ammo was 6 to 6 1/2 cents through the DCM, I can remember saving up the money with other club members and we sent an order in and then a large gray 40mm can would come from the DCM from Savannah Army Depot with several thousand rounds inside !! The good old days !! That old Rock Island was shot until the hand guards were so hot you couldn't touch them! I let all my friends shoot it because the club's M-1 rifles were all old and extremely worn out ! At least the 1903 didn't break down, Always something in those days with the old M-1 rifles!!
                              Last edited by oldtirediron; 10-25-2014, 02:41. Reason: spelling correction!

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