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No. The small amount of ram movement to ease friction lies within normal "slop" of the fit between case rim and shellholder. Done right, the case remains totally undisturbed in the die. (Shellholders are normally made with enough clearance to accept a rim significantly thicker than specs.)
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What's on second.Comment
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\Who's on first?
I can not believe there are that many reloaders on this forum that appreciates that kind of answer, about the time I did not believe you could get sillier, you got sillier.
F. GuffeyComment
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No, I said RCBS shell holders are my favorite because they do not fit unless we are talking about 'loose'. And then there are Herter shell holders, herter shell holders are held in bu set screws, to remove the die and case from a Herter press looseen the set screws and then remove the shell holder with the case and die. or lower the ram and then remove the shell holder.Since we are dealing in thousandths, even this movement could cause inaccuracy.
The RCBS shell holder has .010" movement/clearance between the deck of the shell holder and case head. For that reason there is no reason to distrube anything. And then" If the reloader adjusted the die down to the shell holder with an additional 1/4 turn (.017") the die should make it to the top of the die without a gap between the top of the shell holder and top of the press. If when sizing cases with that adjustment the reloaders notices a gap between the die and shell holder he can measure the gap with a feeler gage.
the gap is caused by the cases ability to resist sizing, there are times it is necessary to lower the die an 1/4 turn or anneal the case.
Understand there are reloaders in the claim department that claim they have fired cases 45 times with full loads without any of these problems.
F. GuffeyLast edited by fguffey; 11-03-2019, 06:02.Comment
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Easiest solution today would be to use a Forster Co -Ax press and not have to worry about shell holders at all.Comment
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Life is way too short to be grumpy and negative.
A little humor can be a good thing.
Lighten up and isn't that I don't know on third?Last edited by nf1e; 11-03-2019, 10:07.Comment
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I doubt the co-ax press can make up for what the reloaders does not know. Nothing makes up for what a reloaderd does not know.Easiest solution today would be to use a Forster Co -Ax press and not have to worry about shell holders at all.
F. GuffeyComment
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Again, the die was adjusted 1/4 turn (.017") beyond contact; nothing complicated about that. When the case was sized the die did not make it to the shell holder; meaning there is from little to no chance the case is going to move.No. The small amount of ram movement to ease friction lies within normal "slop" of the fit between case rim and shellholder. Done right, the case remains totally undisturbed in the die. (Shellholders are normally made with enough clearance to accept a rim significantly thicker than specs.)
There are very few reloaders that have ever determine how much clearance there is between the deck of the shell holder and case head. The RCBS shell holder has .010" clearance (almost) without exception. All a reloader should have to do is 'back off' the handle, rotate the shell holder until it can be removed from the ram and case at the same time.
One more time: Because of utility RCBS is my favorite, with nothing but a feeler gage I can size cases for short chambers, with a .010" thick feeler gage I can sized cases that are .015 thousands shorter than a go-gage chamber. Again; going the other was I can go to infinity or a more practical .016" longer than a minimum length case from the shoulder to the case head, that would be .002" longer than a field reject length chamber.
Again, Herter Shell holders do not offer the utility of the RCBS shell holder but it does have utility not offered by shell holders that fit like a hand-me down shirts' as in fitting only where they touch.
Now? If your press is in some kind of a bind think about having it checked out.
F. GuffeyComment
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And then there is cam over: I have three Rock Chuckers, not one of the three cams over meaning the Rock Chucker is not a bump press.
Again: I have 12 Herter presses, 5 different kind, all 12 of my Herter presses cam over, the Herter press is a bump press because they cam over.
F. GuffeyComment
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I don't have a dog in this fight and should stay out of it but see some of the ol' time posters here having more than a little disagreement.
The more technical something gets the more opinions and experiences differ sometimes and what works for some may not work for everyone. Everyone seems to mean well but what one person has to work with may not relate to what another uses or works for him.
Hopefully we won't lose any more members due to finding a toxic environment here. This isn't even the political forum.
Like so many things, we can all do the same job but the path we take to get there may be a little different. Suggestions can be very helpful and appreciated but they aren't meant to be the law of the land.
I like a little humor too and this forum can use more of it as long it isn't insulting. My 2 cents worth.Comment
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