??? about long range 308 loads

[jjrothWA]

Suggest you go with the Sierra MatchKing 168gr., have used dthose for over the course match shooting. As long as I do my part, ther will be "X"'s", not alot with my eye condition. Using a Douglas M1A barrel, BE consistent in sizing and trimming cases and charge loading.

ENjoy.

[lyman]

shoot me an email (in profile) and I'll email you a copy of Dunlap's Loading .30 Cal Match Ammunition
good info on .308 and 30.06 (as well as a couple others) from the 60's or so,

and like everyone else said, 147gr and long or med range accuracy are not to be used in the same sentence,

[Cosine26]

Let me say that Dunlap's book on reloading is a good one and I, as a high power shooter, used it as a guide for many years. However I must caution you that the powders that he specifies were from the era of the 50's and 60's and were manufactured by duPont and Hercules and the present day powders ,though they may have the same names , do not necessarily have the same characteristics.
I knew Roy personally and had his permission to reissue this booklet. A fellow shooter, whose ambition exceeded his ability, wanted to take this task on. I received Roy's permission and provided some data. The project died in the birthing. It was probably a larger task than the proposer had imagined.

[RED]

There is a very good article on 30-06 service rifle in the December 1994 American Rifleman, pages 65, 66, 67. It is not .308 but the principles are the same. I tried to post it but the site won't let me. Send me a PM if interested and I will snail mail a copy.

[BlitzKrieg]

Just an opinion but I am not going to waste time nor money on any bullet that is not over 150 grains in weight at 600 yd line and at 800, the 168 grn bullets are replaced by 175 gr SMK's and hold all the way to 1000yd line.

To make it simple, I now shoot 175 gr SMK's across the course. Heavy bullets and longer distances go together well for me.

[Jim in Salt Lake]

+1 on the bigger bullets. I've been shooting Palma for the past year and am having a blast with it. Palma limits you to either .223 or .308 and is shot at 800, 900, and 1000 yards. The challenge is to keep your bullet supersonic all the way to the target. Palma rules make that difficult as we're required to use 155gr bullets and it's hard to keep them supersonic at 1000 yards. If you drop to subsonic, the move through the transonic speed area usually introduces some yaw to your spinning bullet and they "keyhole" through the target. To keep this from happening, you need to start out with a high muzzle velocity, 3000fps seems to be the magic number. So you mostly use a max load and a 30" barrel to get that little bullet to stay supersonic at 1000 yards. We tested some electronic targets a couple months back that would display your bullet speed at the target, very handy and enlightening. My muzzle velocity that day averaged 3044fps (155gr Sierra behind 44.0gr AR-Comp). At 900 yards, velocity was 2210fps and at 1000, velocity had dropped to a little over 1700fps, quite a drop in velocity over 100 yards! I haven't shot at 1200 yards yet but will do so at Lodi, WI this summer. I can use a bigger bullet since it's not a Palma match and I probably will do so. At the F class long range championships last fall, Bryan Litz won the FT-R class shooting a .308 using Berger 210gr bullets. FT-R requires you use either .223 or .308 like Palma but you're not required to use a specific bullet. So you'll see those folks shooting big ones. It all comes down to mass X velocity.

[Mickey Christian]

Lyman....sent PM

[Mickey Christian]

Red,
PM sent.

[Clark Howard]

Long ago, in an Army that is only a memory, we shot 1000 yard targets at 1000 yards with LC cases, filled to the top with 4895 and stuffed with 168 grain bullets. At the time, it was the most accurate load in a NM M-14. Regards, Clark