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  • Tkacook
    Senior Member
    • Jun 2011
    • 232

    #1

    Custer Carbine

    So I wonder what it will sell for....

    FABULOUS SPRINGFIELD MODEL 1873 SADDLE RING CARBINE THAT BELONGED TO CUSTER'S BUGLER JOHN MARTIN FORENSICALLY PROVEN TO HAVE FIRED A CARTRIDGE AT THE BATTLE OF THE LITTLE BIG HORN AND THE ONLY IDENTIFIED FIREARM EVER FOUND WHICH HAS BEEN PROVEN TO HAVE BEEN IMMEDIATELY WITH CUSTER DURING THE BATTLE. Cal. 45-55. Standard 1873 carbine with 22" bbl, barleycorn front sight & carbine ladder rear sight. Breech block has standard markings with the date "1873". Lock plate is likewise marked "1873" with the US Eagle in the center. Mounted in a 1-pc, uncheckered walnut stock secured with a single band that has a stacking swivel. Trigger guard is in 2 pieces, without sling swivel. Buttplate is standard carbine style without trap and neither is there a recess under the buttplate, signifying that this carbine did not receive the later updates. Left side of wrist has the outline of the "ESA" (Erskine S. Allin) cartouche. Left side of the stock has the sling bar, missing its ring, which was common practice among Indians with captured arms. Left side of forestock is crudely carved "J. MArTiN" and left side of buttstock is carved with an "H", ostensibly representing Company H of the 7th Cavalry to which Trooper Martin was assigned. The Martin carving shows moderate to heavy wear on the edges with heavy patina down in the cuts. The hammer screw has crystallized and broken. This carbine is well documented as having belonged to Custer's bugler, John Martin who was the individual to whom the famous note was given which read "Benteen / Come on. Big village / Be quick, Bring packs. / W.W. Cooke / P.S. Bring Pacs.". Martin subsequently recalled that Custer had called him over and said "Orderly, I want you to take a message to Benteen. Ride as fast as you can and tell him to hurry. Tell him it's a big village and I want him to be quick and bring the ammunition packs". He further recalled that Lt. Cooke called out "Wait Orderly" and pulled out a field order pad and wrote the above quoted note. Martin also recalled that Custer perused the note and called an orderly to deliver it. An unidentified trooper, probably another orderly came forward to which Custer said "No, No, the other man, Martin." As Martin took the dispatch Custer instructed, "Trumpeter, go back on our trail and see if you can discover Benteen and give him the message. If you see no danger come back to us. But if you find Indians in your way, stay with Benteen and return to him and when you get back to us, report". Martin apparently discovered Indians in the way, reporting that his horse was hit twice by rifle fire before he reached Benteen. He stayed with Benteen who, as we all know did not reach Custer in time. John Martin, an Italian immigrant, whose name was Giovanni Crisostomo Martino (or Martini, a sobriquet given to Martin by Major Benteen whose favorite drink was a martini). Martin had immigrated to the U.S. in 1873, settling in Brooklyn, NY. Prior to leaving Italy he had been a drummer boy in Italy's Army in 1866 in their war against Austria. John Martin enlisted in the US Army in 1874 as a Trumpeter and was assigned to Company H, US 7th Cavalry. Martin survived the battle and remained in the US Army fighting in the Nez Perce campaign in 1877 and then fought in the Spanish-American War and retired in 1904, having completed nearly 30 years of service. He died in December 1922, the result of injuries from a beer truck accident. In 1983 an accidental range fire burned some 700 acres of prairie including a large portion of the Custer battlefield. The result of this fire disclosed numerous artifacts, bones and articles from that battle. A team of volunteers and park personnel conducted a search using metal detectors and in the process uncovered hundreds of fired cartridge cases, bullets and other artifacts. A team of forensics experts from Nebraska began examining firing pin & extractor marks found on these cartridge cases and were able to identify them to cartridge cases fired for test purposes in various arms believed to have been at the Custer battlefield. One of the cartridge cases, identified as #707 was found about 10 feet from the monument on Custer Hill (Last Stand Hill) was forensically proven with at least 90% positive marks that this artifact cartridge case was fired in this carbine. Since we know that Trooper Martin was not with Custer on Last Stand Hill, but was with Capt. Benteen & Major Reno leaves one to speculate how this cartridge case could have been fired in his carbine at that location. Various theories have been proposed, the most likely of which is that 1). Trooper Martin discarded his carbine to prevent it banging on his horse during his frantic ride. 2). According to Trooper Martin's statements his horse was struck by rifle fire which would likely have disabled the horse and caused it to fall, leaving his carbine still attached to the saddle to be recovered by the Indians who then turned it on Custer's troops on Last Stand Hill. 3). That Trooper Martin had given his carbine to another trooper whose carbine had jammed or had been lost when he left Custer's command for his fateful ride. Obviously we will never know how this cartridge case came to be on Last Stand Hill, but there is no doubting the scientific evidence that cartridge case #707 was fired in this carbine. Bullets found on the battlefield, in some instances were discovered to have entered the dirt vertically which indicates that the Indians administered the "coup de gras" to wounded troopers by shooting directly down into their bodies. This seems to be the most likely reason that trooper Martins carbine was fired at Last Stand Hill in the position where it was found. Accompanied by a 4x6 cabinet photo of Trooper Martin in full uniform with medals by D.F. Barry of West Superior, WI. This carbine was the subject of a 2-page article by Donald Moore which appeared in the June 2013 issue of Wild West magazine. Additionally accompanied by a 7-page article about this carbine which appeared in the publication Military Classics Illustrated , date unknown. Also accompanying are copies of the original note carried by Trooper Martin to Capt. Benteen, which is currently at the US Army Military Academy, West Point, NY. Also accompanied by copies of 2 photographs of John Martin, one is dated 1879 depicting him as a young man seated with a bugle, with the caption "While he was called to testify at the Reno Court of Inquiry". Finally accompanied by the 138-page paperback book Archeological Insights Into The Custer Battle , Scott & Fox.


    Andy
    Never Give Up, Never Surrender!
  • jjrothWA
    Senior Member
    • Aug 2009
    • 1148

    #2
    Frankly, its' priceless.

    Surprise that either the NRA Museum or the USMA museum isn't bidding.

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    • Dick Hosmer
      Very Senior Member - OFC
      • Aug 2009
      • 5993

      #3
      Poster child for why NOT to use Naval Jelly on a collectible firearm.

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      • RED
        Very Senior Member - OFC
        • Aug 2009
        • 11689

        #4
        Very interesting... I love those old carbines (and the rifles as well). Back in 1997, one of my customers had a 1873 rifle that had supposedly never been fired. It was complete including matching bayonet. His great granddaddy had been a member of a drill team in Chicago around 1890 and the gun had no firing pin. I could have bought the gun for $700 but didn't have the money. I should have gone to the bank and borrowed it.

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        • jon_norstog
          Senior Member
          • Sep 2009
          • 3900

          #5
          That's pretty interesting and a good write-up. The N*tive guy who had the gun did a smart thing, taking off that noisy saddle ring. Martin also served in the Nez Perce War and was lucky to survive. The Nimiipu had a habit of shooting the bugler first. I think I'll do some digging on the man since he also served in the Spanish American War.

          jn
          Last edited by jon_norstog; 11-01-2017, 06:52. Reason: sp

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          • jon_norstog
            Senior Member
            • Sep 2009
            • 3900

            #6
            Giovanni Martino (John Martin) was still with the 7th Cavalry in 1877 (which had been reconstituted after the disaster at Greasy Grass) and saw some action in the final phases of the Nez Perce War. By that time many of the leaders and strongest warriors were dead; and (Nelson Miles) Sturgis, with forces including the 1st and the 7th, kind of shouldered Howard to the side so as to be in on the finish. (It was Miles who rolled in after a forced march and claimed the glory at Bear Paw)

            Martin reenlisted in the 3rd Artillery Regiment and and was stationed out of Fort McHenry. He was in the 4th regular Artillery and in 1898 went with Battery D of that unit to Tampa. Batteries G and H went to Cuba but D apparently remained in Tampa until hostilities were over. Martin did serve in the occupation. His last hitch he was with the 90th Coastal Artillery at Fort McHenry, still a bugler. He was promoted to corporal (finally!) and was given a last-minute rank of master sergeant before he mustered out in 1904.

            Meanwhile an Indian in Montana was probably using Martin's carbine to feed his family.

            The Life of Giovanni Martino (John Martin): Custer’s BuglerFrom Custer’s Bugler: The Life of John Martin by Leo Solimine The General raised his hand, signaling…


            jn
            Last edited by jon_norstog; 11-01-2017, 06:54. Reason: historical correction

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            • jon_norstog
              Senior Member
              • Sep 2009
              • 3900

              #7
              Almost forgot: Martin/Martino served with Garibaldi, first joining up when Garibaldi's "Thousand" marched from Palermo. Garibaldi's force passed through Salerno Province where Martino was originally from, on their way to depose the King of the Two Sicilies in Naples. Martino was with Garibaldi in the fighting against Austria in the northern provinces and then was with Italian forces that supported the French during the Franco-Prussian War.

              His is by no means an unusual life story for a professional soldier in those days.

              jn
              Last edited by jon_norstog; 11-01-2017, 06:56.

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              • 70ish
                Member
                • Jan 2011
                • 98

                #8
                Ironic that there were at least two veterans of fighting in Italy with Custer. Myles Keogh had also fought in one of the Papal armies, but I don't recall the specific details. He returned to the US in the early '60's and was at Gettysburg with Buford's cavalry.

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                • jon_norstog
                  Senior Member
                  • Sep 2009
                  • 3900

                  #9
                  Thanks 70. I didn't know that. I did look it up a bit and found that Keogh and martin/Martino, who were on opposite sides, were probably on the same field at the fight at Castelfidardo, and perhaps at the siege of Ancona. By then the Thousand were a pretty small part of the force, which was dominated by Sardinian troops of Victor Emmanuel. I wonder of the two men ever talked?

                  jn

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                  • 70ish
                    Member
                    • Jan 2011
                    • 98

                    #10
                    I'm glad I said 'at least two' because while reading a book the other day, I was reminded of another fighter from Italy. Although he was a veteran of a prior period (he had run to the US prior to the start of the Civil War), Charles De Rudio was also an Italian and was even, apparently an aristocrat. In addition he had a particularly active resume including a time at Devil's Island. At the time of the Little Big Horn, he was officially a 1st Lieutenant with Company E, but apparently Custer wasn't particularly fond of him so transferred him from Company E to Company A thereby saving his life. He traded spots with Algernon Smith who became commander of Company E and died with Custer. De Rudio joined Company A as second in command and survived the fighting with Reno (another story as well). De Rudio wasn't especially liked by many of his fellow officers.
                    Last edited by 70ish; 11-08-2017, 09:50. Reason: correction of detail

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                    • jon_norstog
                      Senior Member
                      • Sep 2009
                      • 3900

                      #11
                      70, thanks for bringing that up. Those were the days when soldiering was a profession that could take you 'round the world.

                      jn

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