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  • Sportsdad60
    Member
    • Jan 2015
    • 87

    #1

    Help identifying this fixed front sight on a trapdoor

    Hello!
    New member here, NRA member since 1969 and I have found a new passion in the Springfield Trapdoors.

    I have recently become the owner of an Model 1873 owned by my best friend's father who has owned it since 1941. His father was a black powder shooter and reloader with several non-trapdoor firearms in his possession both black powder and modern firearms (some still for sale, I am on commission to sell them) and his father took very good care of his rifles/pistols.

    This particular rifle I chose to buy myself at a very reasonable price with vintage ammo that appears to be worth more than the rifle itself after some research!

    This trapdoor appears to be a standard rifle, 1883 cartouche, all the proper markings (P for proof fired), Buffington rear sights, etc. It has very clean rifling in the barrel.

    However, I cannot for the LIFE of me find this type of fixed front sight even in Joe Poyer's book The .45-70 Springfield nor any other examples of it. It is a very HIGH fixed from sight, so much so that the bayonet will not fit over it.
    Photo below.
    Could this fixed front sight have been put on sometime between the manufacturer date and 1941?

    Here are the rest of the pictures of the rifle. (2 pages) Bayonet shown as well.
    http://sportsdad60.smugmug.com/1873-...or-45/n-gxR9F/







    Here is just a fraction of the ammo that came with the rifle. I have recently had an inspection done on the barrel and plan to fire just a few loads of newer Powder River .45-70 -405 grain ammo soon. The trap is very sturdy (no rattle) and the bore in extremely good condition.
    This gallery hosted by SmugMug; your photos look better here.


    I am a Trapdoor newbie and appreciate any and all feedback and opinions!
    Last edited by Sportsdad60; 01-31-2015, 09:05.
  • Tom Trevor
    Senior Member
    • Aug 2009
    • 566

    #2
    The front sight blade is from a 1903 Springfield. Installed by some previous shooter to shoot close range targets.Any Springfield parts dealer can supply you with the correct blade at little cost.

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    • Sportsdad60
      Member
      • Jan 2015
      • 87

      #3
      Thank you! I suspect the previous owner thought it shot 'high' (not familiar with Buffington sights?) and had it put on.

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      • Sportsdad60
        Member
        • Jan 2015
        • 87

        #4
        One other question. Is there a trick to removing the cleaning rod? I will not budge when pull straight out by hand...

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        • Major Tom
          Very Senior Member - OFC
          • Aug 2009
          • 6181

          #5
          Pull down on the tip of the cleaning rod, then pull out. On my 1884 I have to pull down about 3/8 inch. As for the front sight, it was installed because most trapdoors will shoot high as much as 12 inches. I made several sight blades in various heights to correct mine. Original front sight blades can be bought from several sources for little money if you want the bayonet to fit and to look original. Shooting with original sight blade, I place a target 12 inches over another target and aim at the lower one to get groups on the above target.

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          • Sportsdad60
            Member
            • Jan 2015
            • 87

            #6
            Thank you for the quick replies!

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            • Tkacook
              Senior Member
              • Jun 2011
              • 232

              #7
              You have to pull down while pull forward. The groove in the rod is held by the catch. If the rod has not been removed for a long time it might be rusted or stuck. Try rotating it back and forward before trying to remove it.

              TKacook
              Never Give Up, Never Surrender!

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              • Sportsdad60
                Member
                • Jan 2015
                • 87

                #8
                Perfect. Thanks. It popped right out when I executed per your instructions. Nice and clean too!

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                • PhillipM
                  Very Senior Member - OFC
                  • Aug 2009
                  • 5937

                  #9
                  It's actually an 1903A3 sight blade. They are taller than 1903 sights and have a letter A-E stamped on them denoting their height. I think A was the tallest.
                  Phillip McGregor (OFC)
                  "I am neither a fire arms nor a ballistics expert, but I was a combat infantry officer in the Great War, and I absolutely know that the bullet from an infantry rifle has to be able to shoot through things." General Douglas MacArthur

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                  • Sportsdad60
                    Member
                    • Jan 2015
                    • 87

                    #10
                    Wow! I'm hooked on the Springfield .45-70. My 16 year old son and I went and shot 20 rounds through her today. Awesome rifle! Shooting a bit low with the 1903A3 Springfield sites at 75 yards but nothing I can't adjust to. Next time out we plan do do 100 yards. Here is a video of Reilly shooting it today. His 2nd shot he damn near hit a bullseye!

                    This is "Shooting the .45-70 Rifle" by Sports Dad on Vimeo, the home for high quality videos and the people who love them.



                    Another question: I have some very old vintage .45-70 ammunition some of it copper jacketed. Can you folks point me to a source where I can identify this ammo? Thank you!

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                    • Dick Hosmer
                      Very Senior Member - OFC
                      • Aug 2009
                      • 5993

                      #11
                      No headstamps? Do you mean copper-jacketed bullet, or copper cartridge cases themselves?

                      Post photos, we should be able to give you an idea.

                      If you find anything marked "WHV" do NOT shoot it in the TD - that was meant for the 1886 Winchester.

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                      • Sportsdad60
                        Member
                        • Jan 2015
                        • 87

                        #12
                        Copper cartridge I believe.
                        Will do. I will take some close up photos tomorrow. A lot of spent and live ammunition.
                        Last edited by Sportsdad60; 02-08-2015, 06:05.

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                        • Sportsdad60
                          Member
                          • Jan 2015
                          • 87

                          #13
                          Finally took some pics of the old shell casings.
                          Attached Files

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                          • Sportsdad60
                            Member
                            • Jan 2015
                            • 87

                            #14
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                            • 11mm
                              Senior Member
                              • Dec 2010
                              • 355

                              #15
                              The second to last (four) shell cases are US Government made items. I believe the F stands for Frankford Arsenal. The year and month of manufacture (e.g. F 6 88 means June of 1888) is in the headstamp. The others are commercial cartridges, some made by UMC (United Metallic Cartridge) which sometimes was a division of Remington. Those are probably from the 1920's to the 1930's.

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