Lee Vertical Action-question for Dick Hosmer

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  • Kragrifle
    Senior Member
    • Nov 2010
    • 1161

    #1

    Lee Vertical Action-question for Dick Hosmer

    Not a trapdoor, but close. I have a very nice Lee that I disassembled years ago to look at the number (43) as I recall. Dick said there was another place to check the serial number on these rifles. Could you please tell me again? Thank you.
  • Dick Hosmer
    Very Senior Member - OFC
    • Aug 2009
    • 5993

    #2
    Glad to - the hammer/breechblock combo has a (tiny) pair of matching numbers, on the right side. This is easily viewable by removing the assembly. The other number is on the side of the one-piece trigger-guard, which - on a "very nice" specimen, I'd just take for granted, rather than to risk popping a chip off the edge of the mortise.

    In my opnion, the Lee was a very under-rated arm. Cadet length OA, but with a full 32.6" barrel, massively strong, and lightning fast to operate. Most survivng Lees are in very nice condition; I've only seen one truly rough one (and it was a dog).

    M1875 Lee Rifle OA.jpg
    Last edited by Dick Hosmer; 07-25-2016, 06:25.

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    • PhillipM
      Very Senior Member - OFC
      • Aug 2009
      • 5937

      #3
      Only 143 made?
      Phillip McGregor (OFC)
      "I am neither a fire arms nor a ballistics expert, but I was a combat infantry officer in the Great War, and I absolutely know that the bullet from an infantry rifle has to be able to shoot through things." General Douglas MacArthur

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      • Dick Hosmer
        Very Senior Member - OFC
        • Aug 2009
        • 5993

        #4
        That's it! $10,000 was appropriated for its' trial, but, after making up the tooling, only a limited amount was left for production.

        Only one source, the official 1878 Ordnance Dept. pamphlet, "Manufactures at National Armory. 1872-1877", disagrees - they say 145.

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        • 5MadFarmers
          Senior Member
          • Nov 2009
          • 2815

          #5
          Originally posted by Dick Hosmer
          That's it! $10,000 was appropriated for its' trial, but, after making up the tooling, only a limited amount was left for production.

          Only one source, the official 1878 Ordnance Dept. pamphlet, "Manufactures at National Armory. 1872-1877", disagrees - they say 145.
          Manufacturing report for FY1875 agrees with the 145 figure.

          Of the $10K appropriated, $8,622.11 was spent.

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          • PhillipM
            Very Senior Member - OFC
            • Aug 2009
            • 5937

            #6
            Interesting design. I don't see why he didn't sell them commercially.

            Phillip McGregor (OFC)
            "I am neither a fire arms nor a ballistics expert, but I was a combat infantry officer in the Great War, and I absolutely know that the bullet from an infantry rifle has to be able to shoot through things." General Douglas MacArthur

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            • psteinmayer
              Senior Member
              • Sep 2011
              • 1527

              #7
              What an amazing and innovative design! Shame that more weren't manufactured!
              "I was home... What happened? What the Hell Happened?" - MM1 Jacob Holman, USS San Pablo

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              • Kragrifle
                Senior Member
                • Nov 2010
                • 1161

                #8
                Hi Dick
                I took the rifle apart a long time ago. Have not seen it in awhile. Is taking the breech block and hammer out much of a task? Can you remind me how I did it?

                Thanks

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                • Dick Hosmer
                  Very Senior Member - OFC
                  • Aug 2009
                  • 5993

                  #9
                  Basically, twist the pin, pull it out, and then wiggle the hammer assembly up and out (uncocked of course) while pulling the trigger. The extractor lays loose in the breech cavity - make sure you note where/how it is placed, before reassembling.

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                  • jon_norstog
                    Senior Member
                    • Sep 2009
                    • 3896

                    #10
                    Too bad no one is making those as replicas. I'd buy one in a heartbeat. Or maybe two heartbeats.


                    jn

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                    • Kragrifle
                      Senior Member
                      • Nov 2010
                      • 1161

                      #11
                      Hi Dick
                      Molasses’s slow, I’m slower. Finally found my Lee Vertical Action.
                      Took it apart per your directions. Number 45! Thanks for the help.

                      Mike

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                      • Dick Hosmer
                        Very Senior Member - OFC
                        • Aug 2009
                        • 5993

                        #12
                        You're very welcome! Interesting gun, deserved a better fate.

                        - - - Updated - - -

                        Originally posted by 5MadFarmers
                        Manufacturing report for FY1875 agrees with the 145 figure.

                        Of the $10K appropriated, $8,622.11 was spent.
                        Thanks, Joe - I'd somehow missed this response.

                        That shows the value of PRIMARY research!!!

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                        • lyman
                          Administrator - OFC
                          • Aug 2009
                          • 11269

                          #13
                          had one of these in my hands last fall,

                          picked up an estate, older gent who inherited a lot of stuff from his long deceased father,

                          Lee Vertical action in very good shape was part of it, (as well as a very nice Trapdoor Officers Model),

                          I bought most of his stuff, and suggested he contact several auction houses on the Lee and the Springfield(and a couple others) since he wanted top dollar for them (no margin for me)

                          I did not get a chance to take down and get the number, and last I heard he was negotiating with RIA over commission rates
                          Last edited by lyman; 10-03-2019, 07:06.

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                          • Dick Hosmer
                            Very Senior Member - OFC
                            • Aug 2009
                            • 5993

                            #14
                            I'm going to have to begin drastically thinning my accumulation, but the Lee will be a keeper - neat gun.

                            Just for grins, what is a Krag "officer's carbine"? To my knowledge there was no such thing?

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                            • lyman
                              Administrator - OFC
                              • Aug 2009
                              • 11269

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Dick Hosmer
                              I'm going to have to begin drastically thinning my accumulation, but the Lee will be a keeper - neat gun.

                              Just for grins, what is a Krag "officer's carbine"? To my knowledge there was no such thing?
                              thank you for the memory jog,

                              sorry I posted incorrectly

                              it was not a krag (he did have a 1898 that I bought and sold)
                              it was one of the Trapdoor Officer Models
                              much nicer than this one (condition wise)

                              https://www.rockislandauction.com/de...-1875-trapdoor

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