NRA supports bump-stock regulations...........

[DRAGONFLYDF]

I am a NRA life member and am really pissed at this. The NRA is throwing us under the bus, AGAIN. I just got off the phone with the NRA and told them to quit sending me letters for donations, or support as I will no longer be giving ANY money to them, any money I donate will be going to Gun Owners of America, or JPFO.

[Sandpebble]

Like I said. With overpopulation we lose freedoms. We can't do what we used to do in some cases. This many people surrounded by tall buildings with no means of security is asking for trouble in today's society.

Since you seem to be fascinated with fertilizer it is my understanding that I can still buy small quantities of it. If buying it by the truck load I have to show a license proving that I operate a farm.

Bump stocks? I saw many of them for sale on GB before the listings were pulled. Many of them were used and listed as "only used once". I feel the owners weren't too impressed with them. I've just never had any desire to own one or a crank trigger for the Ruger 10/22-as hard as they are to load I don't want to blow out the ammo any faster than I need to. I don't want to see any kind of ban or regulation in the firearm industry at all because the barbaric liberals will make it a "hey day" and want to ban every thing.

Was happy to read your reply Allen.... but I'm not fascinated with fertilizers, it was merely an example ... but.. "Barbaric Liberals" ?

Like everyone here... I love my guns. But as its a fact that more Americans have died within the US borders from gunshot since the 60's than all the wars in our history combined.... we need to understand why others may not love our guns.... and we need to understand that they have the power of vote... and that is what America is all about...... according to The Constitution .

Without concessions.... we could lose it all.... and sad as it sounds, thats a simple fact....

[clintonhater]

I am a NRA life member and am really pissed at this...

I'm a Benefactor member and am relieved NRA showed enough common sense to recognize that defending these stocks was a loosing proposition.

[RED]

change the scenario of what happened a bit, same place and time, but put a half decent shooter up in that room with a couple of deer hunting rifles. 4-500yds is a chip shot with one if your any good at all. give the same 10 minutes. maybe there would be less wounded, except those who were injured by the stampede, but with a good rifleman up in that room the death toll would be well over what it was. now they wouldnt be wanting some oddball stock, they would be after your super deadly deer rifles, except they would call them sniper rifles. be careful of what your willing to just give up without a fight, because the liberals dont just want a stock, they have said it over and over, they want it all!

Amen... great post. Aimed fire is always more effective than spray and pray. For example Charles Whitman in the Texas tower killed 18 people and wounded 31. He had perhaps dozens of targets... not hundreds and certainly not the 22,000 gathered together in a shooting gallery. Neither did he have a full auto or a bump fire device.

Speaking of bump fire devices... you can essentially do the same thing with a folded piece of cardboard and some rubber bands. How are they going to prohibit that?

[togor]

Speaking of bump fire devices... you can essentially do the same thing with a folded piece of cardboard and some rubber bands. How are they going to prohibit that?

Good question. Let's hope the bill writers (maybe with NRA help) are on their game. I know people say these things are uncontrollable and therefore useless, but controllability is an engineering problem that can be solved, especially for the 5.56mm cartridge. The in-line recoil of the AR pattern is already a giant step in the right direction. As people have wisely said, semi-autos could be at stake if this isn't fixed.

[leftyo]

I'm a Benefactor member and am relieved NRA showed enough common sense to recognize that defending these stocks was a loosing proposition.

lapierre has started backpedalling!

[USMilitaryGuy]

Was happy to read your reply Allen.... but I'm not fascinated with fertilizers, it was merely an example ... but.. "Barbaric Liberals" ?

Like everyone here... I love my guns. But as its a fact that more Americans have died within the US borders from gunshot since the 60's than all the wars in our history combined.... we need to understand why others may not love our guns.... and we need to understand that they have the power of vote... and that is what America is all about...... according to The Constitution .

Without concessions.... we could lose it all.... and sad as it sounds, thats a simple fact....

"But as its a fact that more Americans have died within the US borders from gunshot since the 60's than all the wars in our history combined...."


Please, please, pretty please provide a source for this statement.

[Allen]

Like everyone here... I love my guns. But we need to understand that they have the power of vote...

Well, we had a recent presidential election and guess who won? You and I aren't the only ones who love our guns.

[Allen]

Was happy to read your reply Allen but "Barbaric Liberals" ?

I have obviously offended you and your employer. Give me an example of when a liberal does NOT fit this description.

[Sandpebble]

OK... here is one source of many... its any easy find

"But as its a fact that more Americans have died within the US borders from gunshot since the 60's than all the wars in our history combined...."


Please, please, pretty please provide a source for this statement.

More Americans killed by guns since 1968 than in all U.S. wars, columnist Nicholas Kristof writes _ PunditFact

Politifact has an example of all the statistics

[Sandpebble]

here, the guy doesnt have a fancy stock, and is in total control of the rifle. so are we going to ban fingers, or what?https://youtu.be/7Wq3PZZYB9I

Leftyo.... that is an example of a "Rambo wannabe"..... just a boy playing with a toy. Believe it or not.... he ain't no Minute Man thats gonna protect us all from an oppressive regime ...

Know what I'm saying.. ?

[leftyo]

Leftyo.... that is an example of a "Rambo wannabe"..... just a boy playing with a toy. Believe it or not.... he ain't no Minute Man thats gonna protect us all from an oppressive regime ...

Know what I'm saying.. ?

i suppose if i posted a video of jerry miculek or some other fast competitor running just as fast and making groups that some people cant do slow fire you would say the same thing. didnt like that video go down, one guy is moving while rapid firing, and putting pretty good hits on target. i suppose since you probably cant do anything like it, its no good for everybody, am i right? the simple fact is that the bump stocks are just a tool, and banning them will do ZERO good for anyone. you would think that some day it would be illegal to kill people. silly isnt it?

[Sandpebble]

i suppose if i posted a video of jerry miculek or some other fast competitor running just as fast and making groups that some people cant do slow fire you would say the same thing. didnt like that video go down, one guy is moving while rapid firing, and putting pretty good hits on target. i suppose since you probably cant do anything like it, its no good for everybody, am i right? the simple fact is that the bump stocks are just a tool, and banning them will do ZERO good for anyone. you would think that some day it would be illegal to kill people. silly isnt it?

thats where we differ Leftyo.... its not a tool... tools are for creating something positive ... that thing is a toy. And just for general BS... I'm quite proficient with numerous full auto firearms

[leftyo]

the guns in those video's are just semi auto AR 15's, no fancy stocks or anything else. this whole thing is not really about some dang stock, its about the anti's wanting guns, all guns. those kinds of video's are all over, and what do you think the anti's are going to be screaming about once the stocks are gone, thats right the guns themselves! tool's, they only do what they are made to do, be it positive, or negative!

[swampyankee]

I can't believe intelligent gun owners are willing to go to the mat for a cheap piece of plastic crap that I would bet they have never heard of until this week, have never seen one and have no interest in ever buying one. It has no purpose as a self defense weapon and you would get killed if you think this would give you a fighting chance in a real fire fight in your SHTF scenario. The NRA is smart enough to know you have to pick and choose your battles, and this is a losing battle. The vast majority of the people in this country don't understand a bump stock and think it's a machine gun. Try to defend it in a public forum and you will lose. Let the idiots ban it and they can say they did something and it goes away. Americans have a very short memory.