NOTE in the room... the plot "thickens"

[Former Cav]

they claim the note on his night stand was ballistic caluculations!!

gimme a break, 371 yards away and wall to wall people and you "have to calculate".
He11, a blind man could have stuck any gun out the window and hit somebody.
This is so much B.S. probably used as a distraction to the fact that this guy was of islam and all of the sympathizers don't want to admit it.!
the deep Barrack Hussein Gov't strikes again!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I smell a RAT, a big ******G rat

[1563621]

I agree, There is a smelly rat involved with this investigation! 2X isis said he was their boy!

[gwp]

The calculations may have been for the fuel storage tanks.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/10/05/las-vegas-gunman-targeted-aviation-fuel-tanks-during-shooting-spree-report-says.html

https://www.reviewjournal.com/local/the-strip/las-vegas-strip-shooter-targeted-aviation-fuel-tanks-source-says/

[togor]

The one article quotes a LEO as saying it's impossible to light a tank of jet fuel with gunfire. His very public point is taken but the truth is somewhat more complicated.

[leftyo]

fuel in quantity is very hard to ignite. now spring a leak and let the vapors build for a few minutes, and the vapors arent so hard to ignite.

[dave]

fuel in quantity is very hard to ignite. now spring a leak and let the vapors build for a few minutes, and the vapors arent so hard to ignite.

This is true, the liquid does not burn, the vapors do. But Jet full is modified kerosene which evaporates slower then gasoline. And he would need AP tracer ammo. Tracer they found, nothing about AP. I assume caliber was 223, would it penetrate fuel tanks? They are generally thicker steel at bottom of tanks. The vapors, by the way, have to be a certain percentage of the air, with gasoline about 15%, if heaver with vapor then that it will not burn.

[Vern Humphrey]

The Las Vegas Review-Journal, citing an unnamed source, reported late Wednesday that two holes were found in one of the two jet fuel tanks near the site of the Route 91 Harvest concert. One of the bullets penetrated a tank, but did not cause an explosion, the report said.

Take a look at how BIG those tanks are! If he only hit them twice out of all the rounds he fired, clearly those were not deliberate shots, just random.

[Former Cav]

I'm guessing he used his 308 scoped rifle for the tanks.
BTW.... wouldn't the tank have a rubber bladder in it that shrinks as you draw the fluid down so their is NO room for vapors?
and...a couple of years ago...myth busters were shooting gasoline tanks with tracers and NOTHING happened.

[Vern Humphrey]

If so, he still only got two hits.

[TomSudz]

I'm guessing he used his 308 scoped rifle for the tanks.
BTW.... wouldn't the tank have a rubber bladder in it that shrinks as you draw the fluid down so their is NO room for vapors?
and...a couple of years ago...myth busters were shooting gasoline tanks with tracers and NOTHING happened.

Cav,

More than likely the tanks Do have a bladder to limit vapor. That would be why an attempt was made to put a hole in the tank. Even if he was successful in making a hole (or multiple holes, for that matter), he would still have to cause ignition in an area where the fuel/air mixture was right. Not so easy to do. Too much or too little fuel and it won't ignite. Same goes for air. Even if he did somehow manage to poke a hole and have the fuel ignite (and it would only do that outside of the tank), a fire of that size would be a non-event. Airport firefighters routinely practice on flammable liquid fires much larger than would have been created.

As to the mythbusters thing, again a tracer going through a gasoline tank wouldn't cause a fire unless the fuel/air mixture was right. I've personally observed cigarettes and even road flares being put out by being submerged in gasoline. Just don't try that at home! It was demonstrated during a flammable liquids class at a fire academy with all involved at a safe distance.

[High Plaines Doug r]

This is the difference between "tracer" rounds and "incendiary" rounds.

Two entirely different purposes.

[TomSudz]

This is the difference between "tracer" rounds and "incendiary" rounds.

Two entirely different purposes.

Agreed. Regardless of which would be used, without the right mix nothing would happen. Even an armor piercing incendiary round would enter the tank and not ignite the liquid. (Provided that the tank was the floating roof type)
There should also be a dike around each tank, which would keep the spilled fuel contained. I would also guess that there is a fire suppression system in place in the tank farm which probably includes fixed position monitors (nozzle on a pipe) and large quantities of foam.

[Major Tom]

Actually he was playing keno before hand and those were his numbers.

[RED]

I think the fact ISIS claimed this shooting is a very significant bit of information. As I said in an earlier post, even the liberal National Public Radio (NPR) has reported they cannot find a single instance where ISIS has claimed credit for a incident where they had no part in either influencing or aiding in the act.

[togor]

Red it wouldn't be the first time those guys tried to use our freedoms against us.