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  • Roadkingtrax
    Senior Member
    • Feb 2010
    • 7835

    #16
    Didn't ISIS claim responsibility for the 2017 hurricane season?
    "The first gun that was fired at Fort Sumter sounded the death-knell of slavery. They who fired it were the greatest practical abolitionists this nation has produced." ~BG D. Ullman

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    • Sunray
      Senior Member
      • Sep 2009
      • 3251

      #17
      "...impossible to light a tank of jet fuel with gunfire..." Yep, but doable with the right ammo. Tracers do not start fires. Needs incendiaries, not APT. APTI would do it though. S'what it's made for.
      Fox News isn't exactly a bastion of reality either. Nothing like a bit of fairy tale BS to increased viewership.
      "...371 yards away..." More like 900 plus. The nutcase was 32 stories up and supposedly 390 or so yards from the concert. Based solely on that, the nut case's distance to the concert was about 504 yards. Right angle triangle geometry that confused us all in high school.
      Spelling and grammar count!

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      • TomSudz
        Senior Member
        • Aug 2009
        • 3676

        #18
        I've spent more than one day on a machinegun range watching blackhawks dump water on a fire started by tracers.
        I dream of a better world. One where chickens may cross the road without their motives being questioned.

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        • Vern Humphrey
          Administrator - OFC
          • Aug 2009
          • 15875

          #19
          Originally posted by TomSudz
          I've spent more than one day on a machinegun range watching blackhawks dump water on a fire started by tracers.
          Indeed they can start fires -- but not by being fired into a vat of jet fuel.

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          • leftyo

            #20
            tracers are good at starting grass fires, but in wwI they couldnt even ignite the hydrogen in the german derigibles.

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            • Vern Humphrey
              Administrator - OFC
              • Aug 2009
              • 15875

              #21
              Originally posted by leftyo
              tracers are good at starting grass fires, but in wwI they couldnt even ignite the hydrogen in the german derigibles.
              For the same reason they wouldn't ignite the jet fuel in those tanks -- no oxygen.

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              • jim-d
                Senior Member
                • Jul 2014
                • 150

                #22
                Spent about a year working on the flight line at NAS Oceana in the mid 60's. We always had a fifty gallon drum about 1/4 full of JP5 that we tossed our cigarette butts into. As stated earlier, only the fumes are burning in any fire

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                • leftyo

                  #23
                  Originally posted by Vern Humphrey
                  For the same reason they wouldn't ignite the jet fuel in those tanks -- no oxygen.
                  exactly.

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                  • TomSudz
                    Senior Member
                    • Aug 2009
                    • 3676

                    #24
                    Originally posted by Vern Humphrey
                    Indeed they can start fires -- but not by being fired into a vat of jet fuel.
                    Understood Vern. I was responding to the statement about tracers do not start fires. Please note that in my original post I described how even a road flare could be plunged into a pool of gasoline and not ignite the gas.
                    I dream of a better world. One where chickens may cross the road without their motives being questioned.

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                    • pcox
                      Senior Member
                      • Aug 2009
                      • 386

                      #25
                      Originally posted by Former Cav
                      I'm guessing he used his 308 scoped rifle for the tanks.
                      BTW.... wouldn't the tank have a rubber bladder in it that shrinks as you draw the fluid down so their is NO room for vapors?
                      and...a couple of years ago...myth busters were shooting gasoline tanks with tracers and NOTHING happened.
                      If the tanks are the ones pictured in the link, then they have no bladder and no floating roof inside. There may be a nitrogen blanket on top of the liquid fuel. I've built a lot of them like those. One quarter inch floor plates, first two rings are usually three eighths thick, quarter inch the rest of the way up. A36 mild steel or 285 grade C.

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                      • Major Tom
                        Very Senior Member - OFC
                        • Aug 2009
                        • 6181

                        #26
                        Originally posted by Roadkingtrax
                        Didn't ISIS claim responsibility for the 2017 hurricane season?
                        No, that was blamed on Trump according to Hillary.

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