White slavery

[Roadkingtrax]

Period writings seem to conflict with modern opinions.

No one is saying the individual soldier fought absent honor in defense of their home as they saw themselves required to do.

[Allen]

How do you convince an already divided nation that it is OK to kill each other? Neighbors against neighbors, friends and even brothers against brothers. You introduce the issue of human rights, in this case slavery. Can't miss right?

133 years later, how do you convince the voters and the public that it is OK to ban or restrict many models of so called "assault rifles" and limit pistol ammo capacity? You make up a glorious name like "Crime Control Bill" and this bill also allocates money to hire additional police officers. Who can say no once all this is added? Can't miss right?

[dave]

Ark. actually had a vote weather to succeed or not. The Unionist's won by high number but the powers that be, in the Government, were slave owners and they voted otherwise.
I would like to know which "Northern" states had slaves, never mind the 'border states'. The war actually started when the federal gov. passed the law that any new states taken into the Union could not be slave states. The seat of the Confederate Gov. was in the east and south. The North had stronger forces and equipment , altho plagued with bad leaders for awhile, so yeh, that is where the fighting was concentrated, the south did get into Ind. and the border states, but were never strong enough to get very far!

[jon_norstog]

Recently read a history of the Viking attacks on Britain. Of course, gold, silver, & jewels were their first preference for plunder, but most of the countryside was devoid of anything of monetary value--except young men & women peasants suitable for enslavement. (The very young & old were merely slaughtered.) The highest bidders for white slaves were the Islamic kingdoms in what is now Morocco & Algeria, although they were also traded as far as Constantinople. No records exist to document the numbers kidnapped this way, but over the 200 yrs of intermittent Viking raids in the British Isles, the number of whites sold into slavery is estimated at many tens of thousands, at least. Should Britain also seek reparations?

Well, speaking as a mostly Norwegian/Sami person, the family HAS been aware that some earlier generations were into pillaging, burning, raping, etc. What can I say? Viking thralldom (slavery) was pretty lenient compared to USA-type chattel slavery. A thrall was bound to his/her master like a feudal serf but could rise to become a teacher or manager, could buy their freedom and could marry into the "owner's" family. What happened in the US and the Caribbean some kind of mercantile-capitalist hell that destroyed the lives and integrity of millions of men and women, and if it hadn't been for the Civil War, any just and loving God would have had to come down him/herself and set things straight.

Anyway, my family wanted us to be proud of the Viking heritage ... were we all that bad?

jn

[clintonhater]

Viking thralldom (slavery) was pretty lenient compared to USA-type chattel slavery.

There was no profit in keeping slaves for personal use, and since even slaves had to be fed & clothed, only a very limited number of them could be accommodated into the poor & primitive (by the standards of southern Europe) societies of Scandinavia. Therefor, the vast majority of slaves were exported to the rich kingdoms of the Mediterranean
basin, especially the Islamic ones, where a high price was placed on light-skinned concubines, and were the creation of eunuchs from male slaves was a thriving business.

[blackhawknj]

On March 21 Confederate VP Alexander Stephens made the "Cornerstone Speech" in which he declared subordination-slavery-to be the "natural condition of the Negro."
There is a letter sent by Sherman to Stanton during the Atlanta Campaign where he said;
"I am no friend of the Negro, but the government's emancipation policies have raised us up a whole host of allies."

[togor]

On March 21 Confederate VP Alexander Stephens made the "Cornerstone Speech" in which he declared subordination-slavery-to be the "natural condition of the Negro."
There is a letter sent by Sherman to Stanton during the Atlanta Campaign where he said;
"I am no friend of the Negro, but the government's emancipation policies have raised us up a whole host of allies."

I give someone credit for raising that speech. Ask some Southerners whether they explicitly reject the attitudes expressed therein and you'll get a surprisingly complicated answer. It goes along with LBJ's observation to a young Bill Moyers about the "lowest white man".