Any opinions on the expected antigun tidal wave?

[togor]

Sandpebble, they make you king and you get to set the gun rules for the land. What would you do? A tough question, but not a snide one. Trying to understand where you would take things.

[Sandpebble]

If I were King ...

Sandpebble, they make you king and you get to set the gun rules for the land. What would you do? A tough question, but not a snide one. Trying to understand where you would take things.

If I were King Togor... I'd have to look at the other "civilized " nations that do not have the problem that we certainly do.

I'm not so critical of New Zealands ideas. Want to own an AR ?... no prob really except that you not only have to pass some very strict back ground checks... you have to be given the OK from members of a gun affilliation { club}.... you know... your peers. Almost like when I bought my Once In Your Life Time M1 from the Directorate of Civilian Marksmanship.

That M1 wasn't my right ... I earned the purchase through proof of involvement in competitive shooting with others of a like mind.

New Zealands ideas makes everyone a little responsible. I would also take the NRA's own recomendations and turn them into law ...

You allowed your child access to a firearm he brought to school... you go to jail. You "loaned" your gun to friend that commited a crime with it, or straw purchase... sorry ... do not pass go. Don't want to keep the guns in a safe ? OK... someone uses your easly accesable gun ... jail. Accidental shootings ... same thing... If you follow the most basic NRA gun handling procedures no one would ever be harmed... if you don't and someone is harmed... jail.

A few regs like New Zealands are not taking anyones Constitutional rights away ... In my eye it just seems to be a method of making sure I don't lose them. Give a little.. keep a lot..... and do we need mention the lives?....

The amount of firearms in this country in the hands of loonies, druggies , thieves, etc etc and the consequences, far surpasses any where else in the world....

nope... our laws haven't stopped all this .... but neither have we with our present mindset

[Griff Murphey]

Well you are free to make judgements but I did not mention the New Zealanders' regs by accident. Mind you, despite NO mass shootings and virtually being free of gun related crime, the anti's are all over the NZ gun owners like a cheap suit. If we back "reasonable gun laws" the reality is there are 8 million AR platform guns in civilian hands in America and the last mass shooting is a long way away from having happened. And you can bet they will blame us even long after the very last legally registered one has been confiscated.

That said we may as well come up with "something." Unfortunately we'll still have the same millennial school and university sickos to deal with.

[clintonhater]

nor should they be blamed for the conclusions they come to after the fact ...

Irrationality is blameless? Though I'll acknowledge that their irrationality isn't entirely their own--they have merely tapped in to a left-wing crusade that began long before any one could have imagined school-shootings. Nothing justifies madness.

[Sandpebble]

You did add something ther Griff ... worthy of note

Well you are free to make judgements but I did not mention the New Zealanders' regs by accident. Mind you, despite NO mass shootings and virtually being free of gun related crime, the anti's are all over the NZ gun owners like a cheap suit. If we back "reasonable gun laws" the reality is there are 8 million AR platform guns in civilian hands in America and the last mass shooting is a long way away from having happened. And you can bet they will blame us even long after the very last legally registered one has been confiscated.

That said we may as well come up with "something." Unfortunately we'll still have the same millennial school and university sickos to deal with.

as you say "And you can bet they will blame us even long after the very last legally registered one has been confiscated. "

well we've always fought registration .. haven't we ?

Sure all those 8 million platform ARs were purchased through a NICs .... but I'm betting more than half were sold private sale the first month rent was hard to come by.

and as far as blame us ? ..... you were expecting someone else to take the blame ... all of us own this... each and every one

[Griff Murphey]

I disagree. After Sandy Hook the best deal Obama, Schumer, Pelosi et al would give us was to bury the guns with the owners. They had a majority in congress. Had they come up with something remotely reasonable they could easily have enacted a "reasonable" step. Naturally we opposed it and will never accept confiscation under any circumstances.

[Jiminvirginia]

And another point ... to show how distorted this all becomes..... and the current "target" of the gun control folks is the AR-15. Seemingly forgetting that the Virginia Tech shooting, 32 killed, was done with two handguns. One I believe was a .22 rimfire.

[Art]

What's going to happen?

Well gridlock in this country is so well established and the fear of giving the other side a "victory" on anything so entrenched right now that I don't think anything will happen at the Federal level except a possible narrowing of the ability of people to do private transfers. Remember, Donald Trump doubled the number of "DACA" folks eligible for amnesty and the other side won't give in because Trump's price is a reduced size wall that they actually agreed to years ago and that's a lot less contentious than the gun issue. So we've gotten to the point that, politically, even if you give people what they say they want they won't take it.

However, mass killings with firearms in this country, while a small part of the total number of homicides, has reached critical mass. John Cornyn, (R. Texas) has already put out feelers to Dianne Feinstein about some form of new gun regs and Trump, who I've always considered a "squish" on gun rights has said he'd sign legislation about tightening up background checks. With all that, though, anything that happens on the Federal level, I suspect will be around the margins.

I saw a recent poll suggesting that gun ownership is at the lowest level ever down from the high in 1994. I strongly suspect those numbers but they will be used to goad swing state voters and legislators to support some kind of legislative solution. A similar thing was done in 1993 to get the "Assault Weapons Ban" put in the crime control act and that turned out to be a snare and a delusion for the Dems.

With that in mind; I do think that an increasing number of states will continue to enact more and more restrictive gun laws though. Florida is now a "Purple" state and I would not be surprised to see some gun control legislation pass there in the wake of this slaughter. It might be a raising of the age to buy at firearm to 21, a waiting period, a magazine capacity limit, a total ban on any sales that do not include a background check or some combination of those or other restrictions.

Now to get a few of things off my chest.

That we're at the point where we're almost surely going to have to have armed policemen in every school in the country to keep them from becoming shooting galleries is a disgrace. It is a sign of a cultural sickness. It is also a manifestation of the almost pornographic mesmerization people have when it comes to violence The media constantly feeds off the loop of this stuff (the people, God love 'em eat it up) and in so doing actually helps perpetuate a seemingly endless stream of emotionally disturbed retribution seeking copycats in addition to the terrorist nut jobs we have to deal with.

I am aware of the simple fact that a bullet through the head can change the mind. The fact that a person who is maimed, or has a relative who has been killed or maimed by a nut with a gun becomes an anti gunner doesn't make that person the Anti Christ. I have no personal animosity against people in those categories, in fact I sympathize though I usually oppose their agendas. These people are powerful advocates for the other side and every time a loon pulls off another one of these atrocities it creates more people who were once perhaps indifferent to the issue or even pro gun rights who join the ranks of the anti gunners.

This country is the only nation on the planet I know of that has a Constitutional Right to own a firearm. Contrary to what others will say it isn't a "Divine Right." While I don't see it happening, the Constitution provides the means to abolish the right through the amendment process. I know of know body of belief or scripture of any extant religion that affirms the right of private individuals to be armed. This is a fragile cultural condition unique to the United States and that alone is an issue that makes gun rights a target of the "antis" who view the possession of firearms, or for that matter any weapons as a symptom of a pathology. They look on us as misguided and selfish at best or evil at worst. By the way, those of you who think the most extreme element of the firearms abolitionist crowd don't include you in that category be cause there is a "D" on your voter registration card are sadly mistaken.

[leftyo]

its all just fear mongering, we see it on this forum too. sadly way too many want to blame an inanimate object, and just can not see for themselves that laws do not prevent crimes.

[Griff Murphey]

Well said, Art!

[clintonhater]

and as far as blame us ? ..... you were expecting someone else to take the blame

Absolutely! Those who since the '60s have been indoctrinating kids in the attitude of "I'm all that counts" & "if it feels good, do it."

[blackhawknj]

Perhaps they need some sort of drill-fire drills, anyone ? "Duck and Cover" ?
I am not going to blame the FBI, I don't want them functioning as the nation's Thought Police ? Law enforcement ? If they arrested everyone who ran off at the mouth, made threats-we'd need our version of the GULAG.
In New Jersey in the 1950-60s the word that struck fear and terror into young males and kept them on the straight and narrow was-Jamesburg. The state's main reform school, back then the idea behind reform school was keep them off the streets and away from decent people. Lousy food, harsh treatment. It was like Columbia House for Berliners in the 1930s and the Lubyanka for generations of Muscovites, the mere thought of it sent shivers down spines.
Armed police ? That are readily identifiable and visible ? How about teams of kids, give them basic martial arts instruction, train them to function as a team, to react. I read that one of the patrons at the Pulse Nightclub threw something at the shooter.
Thanks to stupid laws like the Civil Rights of Institutionalized persons Act prison is a joke. One Congressman said of Jeffrey Dahmer that he was sentenced to three meals, a roof over his head, medical care, computer access, weight rooms, etc.

[clintonhater]

Law enforcement ? If they arrested everyone who ran off at the mouth, made threats-we'd need our version of the GULAG.

It had been previously known that the Florida psychopath had gone WAY beyond running off at the mouth. For one thing, it's been shown time & again that cruelty to animals is always the first "expression" of a severely psychopathic personality--not any kind of "passing phase," but a clear sign that something worse is certain to happen in the future. But liberal social policies demand that such individuals always receive "the benefit of the doubt," rather than being immediately put in a place where they can do no harm to others.

[m1ashooter]

Well spoken Art.

[barretcreek]

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Clooney and Oprah have each pledged $500K. They have a well trained theatrical troop to parade in front of the Ministry of Propaganda. Fortunately summer vacation is a long way off in terms of teenage time frame.