Poachers

[lyman]

what does the NRA have to do with state hunting regs?

[togor]

what does the NRA have to do with state hunting regs?

https://explore.nra.org/interests/hunting/

Firearms regulations in general including those that affect hunting are of interest to the NRA.

[lyman]

https://explore.nra.org/interests/hunting/

Firearms regulations in general including those that affect hunting are of interest to the NRA.

ok, so what does the NRA have to do with State regs on poaching?


NRA has an interest in firearms ownership and regs in general, but how a state manages the game in that state,,,,, what does the NRA have to do with that ?

[togor]

So follow-up question.

From what I read, as I posted previously, you can find articles in NRA online publications about poaching and the potential value of monetary fines as an enforcement tool.

From what I can tell that is not an official position by the NRA, but nonetheless one they allow in their media channel.

If someone wants to argue that the NRA has no business having any opinion whatsoever on poaching laws, sure, there's a case to be made there.

[lyman]

So follow-up question.

From what I read, as I posted previously, you can find articles in NRA online publications about poaching and the potential value of monetary fines as an enforcement tool.

From what I can tell that is not an official position by the NRA, but nonetheless one they allow in their media channel.

If someone wants to argue that the NRA has no business having any opinion whatsoever on poaching laws, sure, there's a case to be made there.

so the NRA is anti poaching,, correct?


from your first post


but I see nothing wrong with poachers losing their firearms permissions in an administrative action. Maybe even for life. Losing hunting licenses obviously doesn't matter to them, but maybe risking gun access will make them think twice, if the prospect for being caught a second time is a trip to prison. Of course the bleeding hearts at the NRA will claim this is far to severe a sanction, and yes it would never happen. But I spend a lot of time year round on that public land, and there isn't a trail sign on it that hasn't been used for target practice. Say what you will about the tree-huggers, but they seem to wear less on the public lands.




when has the NRA stood up for Poachers rights?

[togor]

In your mind you have me on the cross hairs, ready for the kill, but zoom out first on the text to a wider quote:

Losing hunting licenses obviously doesn't matter to them, but maybe risking gun access will make them think twice, if the prospect for being caught a second time is a trip to prison. Of course the bleeding hearts at the NRA will claim this is far to severe a sanction, and yes it would never happen.

My original claim was the NRA does not favor penalties for poaching that involve loss of gun rights and/or prison. In some states that is the penalty for extreme cases, but nowhere can I find evidence that the NRA supports going that far. Do you?

If you want to argue that's not the NRA's job to take positions on poaching penalties, then that path is open to you. But if you're arguing that I misrepresented the NRA's position, you need to bring evidence. So far I've done all the heavy lifting and guess what my claim still stands.

[lyman]

in your mind you are paranoid when folks hold you feet to the flame (what you post)

you come here to post liberal thoughts and posts, then get defensive and accusatory when someone calls you out ,,


please provide proof of what you claim,

if the NRA has posted somewhere that they do want someone that commits a crime to be able to get a firearm (poaching being a crime) or that they want a lesser sentence for someone that commits crimes, surely we all would want to know,


usually they are the exact opposite,

[togor]

I must say Lyman I am in awe of your super power to read minds of other posters. Heck you don't even need to read their posts, just sort of "see" the words on the screen to know that they're "paranoid", "secret liberals", etc.

Here's a tip: try going by what is actually written, not what you would like to think it means. Your crystal ball, dare I say it, is one of those crappy Chinese models that doesn't work worth a damn.

So are we done with this thread or what?

[togor]

Okay so I found a NRA article that I like on the subject:

https://www.nrahlf.org/articles/2016/3/20/poaching-is-not-hunting/

Money quote (for me):

Poachers are no different from thieves who break into a store to rob a cash register. They trespass, kill and steal animals and fish illegally, often for profit.

So...bingo! The NRA agrees with me....catch the bastards and treat them like the common criminals that they are. Had to dig a bit to find it, as they mostly want to talk about Africa, but there it is.

I stand corrected, re: NRA and poachers.

[lyman]

I must say Lyman I am in awe of your super power to read minds of other posters. Heck you don't even need to read their posts, just sort of "see" the words on the screen to know that they're "paranoid", "secret liberals", etc.

Here's a tip: try going by what is actually written, not what you would like to think it means. Your crystal ball, dare I say it, is one of those crappy Chinese models that doesn't work worth a damn.

So are we done with this thread or what?

I do, re the read part

try not to be as insulting when confronted, since that clearly stated in the rules,,

makes your arguments even weaker,
for someone who wants to talk things to death and insists he side is right,,,, to suddenly find out it is not everyone's thought, you tend to lash out when things don't go your way,


very predictable, and well, you know


as far as done,,, ask the OP

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Okay so I found a NRA article that I like on the subject:

https://www.nrahlf.org/articles/2016/3/20/poaching-is-not-hunting/

Money quote (for me):



So...bingo! The NRA agrees with me....catch the bastards and treat them like the common criminals that they are. Had to dig a bit to find it, as they mostly want to talk about Africa, but there it is.

I stand corrected, re: NRA and poachers.

after what,, 3 yrs or so?


wow,,

[High Plaines Doug r]

As it is you accusing the NRA of being soft on crimes involving firearms or working to limit the severity of penalties for poaching, I don't feel inclined to do your research for you. The vast number of "jerks" out there and their misuse of public land has nothing to do with the work the NRA does protecting the civil rights of law abiding citizens. Unless/until you can provide me with a connection between the two; I stand by my original post: "Citation, troll or imbecile". Take your pick.

Great! You've found a citation. One than doesn't really support your initial accusation though.

Do you think you owe an apology to the NRA and it's members here for being a troll or an imbecile?

[togor]

Not even Red digs up two year old threads for further litigation so I think words that apply to someone who does that include fixated and obsessive.

As for how the issue resolved, I'm satisfied. Far from my position being a gun-grabbing rant, it's in the mainstream of responsible firearms ownership in line with NRA thinking on the subject. Works for me.

I'm done with this thread. If you want to keep playing with it, feel free.

[lyman]

Not even Red digs up two year old threads for further litigation so I think words that apply to someone who does that include fixated and obsessive.

As for how the issue resolved, I'm satisfied. Far from my position being a gun-grabbing rant, it's in the mainstream of responsible firearms ownership in line with NRA thinking on the subject. Works for me.

I'm done with this thread. If you want to keep playing with it, feel free.

my point previously easily proven by this post,

[High Plaines Doug r]

Can't quite bring himself to apologize for his original smear. LoL

[lyman]

Can't quite bring himself to apologize for his original smear. LoL

never gonna happen,