I think this is how the Roman empire declined; they got to lazy and rich to fight their own wars.
What do you think, should we allow non-citizens to serve?
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The Roman Armies were originally militia armies -- men signed up with their helmets, swords, etc. About 100 BC they were in such a pickle they signed up men who could not afford swords and so on, so the Treasury had to buy them. When these men were discharged, they were armed, trained and battle hardened. The Roman upper classes were afraid of them, but their generals had the answer -- don't bring them back to Rome, but give them some of the land they conquered.
Over time, Rome began enlisting not only the poor, but whole barbarian tribes -- who were even more dangerous than armed paupers. Instead of waiting for their generals to give them land, they took it.Comment
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I agree with Vern Humphrey. add a few tidbits to it though... such as SCREEN out the muslims. (and communists etc)Non-citizens can serve in the US Army -- in fact, Canadians frequently tell us that more Canadians served in the US Army in Viet Nam than Canada accepted deserters and draft dodgers. My position is anyone who volunteers and meets the acceptance criteria ought to be allowed to serve, and ought to receive his citizenship along with his honorable discharge.
if anybody here believes their are "moderate muslims" they need to do a google search on the PM of Turkey, Erdogan, he was asked about moderates and he said "there is no such thing, islam is islam"!! go here to read it>> https://www.rt.com/news/409532-erdog...oderate-islam/
They are NOT COMPATIBLE with the American way of life PERIOD.Comment
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What is a "Citizen?" just someone born here or someone willing to do some type of service for the Republic? Americans, on general, have it pretty easy even the poor are better off here then in other places. I personally feel some type of personal service to the Republic be a requirement of citizenship that is inescapable, kinda like paying your dues. Serving in the military, doing a community service job, law enforcement, E.M.S./fire things in this line. I feel better knowing that I did something for my fellow citizens as I saw the results. A person becoming a teacher is bettering the community, law enforcement/fire/E.M.S./ is bettering the community. In my community we have a volunteer fire department that has many rural youth in the ranks to help where they live. Sheriff's Department has a youth division where they learn about law enforcement and later go into it as a profession. In high school our daughter mentored mentally retarded cohorts as her service and did quite well, our son was an E-5 Ranger, my wife volunteered at the school our kids went to and I worked with the mentally ill. If a person can combine a profession with their community service so much the better. @ the S.O. our radio repairman was a volunteer who's full time job was servicing radio telephone equipment for the phone company, Marty also worked part time with us at the E.M.S, where I worked/volunteered part time.
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The Communists and Jihadists can "walk point", be formed into shock battalions, etc. Someone's got to clear the minefields and the IEDs.Comment
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The United States Military has always allowed aliens to serve. Check out the roster of Custer's 7th Cavalry. In fact the old I&N law stated that failure of an alien to report for induction was a permanent bar to citizenship, I'm sure that's gone now.
My Basic Training platoon at Ft. Polk in the summer of '69 had two aliens, both Latinos from Central America. One as I recall was not a legal permanent resident.
When I worked for the old INS in New York City in the early - mid '70s, my most aggravating "nothing" case involved a Haitian applicant for citizenship. The fellow was a student at Colombia but had served four years previously in the U.S. Army including a tour in Vietnam which resulted in his receiving a Purple Heart and a bronze star. While on a tour in Germany he married a German woman, that didn't work out and he came home one day to find her gone. Well the old boy comes in for his naturalization interview and the examiner asked about his living arrangements. The said decorated veteran repliess he shared an apartment on the west side with two other students, a man and his girlfriend. The examiner then asks if he's "done the nasty" with the female roommate and he replies in the affirmative. The examiner referred the case for investigation since the Vietnam vet was an adulterer. I "drew the black bean" and got this dog of a case I told my boss that this was the stupidest thing I'd ever heard in my life, he agreed but it had been referred so had to be done. I went to see the old boy, who deserved citizenship more than a lot of people born with it, and asked him about the details. He said he hadn't divorced his wife because he couldn't find her and other things, like finishing at Colombia were higher on his list. He said "I didn't know that to be a citizen I had to live like a monk." You could make an investigative comment on the report and for one of the few times I did stating that the case should never have been referred and was a waste of government time and money as well as an unnecessary inconvenience to the applicant.Comment
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good one on you Art!! +He said "I didn't know that to be a citizen I had to live like a monk." You could make an investigative comment on the report and for one of the few times I did stating that the case should never have been referred and was a waste of government time and money as well as an unnecessary inconvenience to the applicant.Comment
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I think that would be a great path to citizenship as long as they are loyal to the US and competent in their military field.Read, think, UNDERSTAND, commentComment
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Legionaires can stay in Paris after 5 years service.... and no one cries foul when they are sent to the harshest duty stations at the beginning of their 5 yr enlistment ... nor when they stay in ParisComment
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I served with two Hungarian guys and the same deal applied to them. One served in the Hungarian Army before coming to the U.S. Both were good soldiers.Comment

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