Coronavirus

[dryheat]

Eight words in and I had to see who this nut was. Oh, Red of course. Which I kind of suspected.

[Art]

Back to the subject of disease. The number of actual cases is small. The number of cases outside China is tiny. The issue is keeping it that way. I understand that there are people coming into the United States right now lying about where they've been because they don't want to be quarantined. There are also still people coming into the U.S. from China and other east Asian countries where the virus is spreading.

Panic can be almost as big a problem as the disease. It seems there is a bump in cases in Italy. The news last night showed grocery stores in Italy and the shelves area as bare there as they would be in Houston the day before a Hurricane landfall.

When I was doing my educator thing I learned the importance of clean hands and to this day I never pass a hand sanitizer dispenser without using it.

[barretcreek]

A Distant Mirror by Barbara Tuchman starts with the arrival of a trading vessel from the Black Sea to the port of Messina Sicily in 1347, bringing the Black Death to Europe. Book goes on to detail the social changes brought about by the depopulation and subsequent creation of the middle class economy.
So what are the potential changes from Corona in terms of bringing manufacturing out of China; how would a significant decrease in third world overpopulation affect migration and the declining birthrate in the West?

Oh yeah. Isn't Bernie in the prime demographic for being vulnerable to Corona?

[S.A. Boggs]

Just watched the Australian program on this virus [4 Corners t.v.] and it was scary as people drop in the streets, apartment buildings have some doors welded shut and apartments chained shut!
Sam

[togor]

A Distant Mirror by Barbara Tuchman starts with the arrival of a trading vessel from the Black Sea to the port of Messina Sicily in 1347, bringing the Black Death to Europe. Book goes on to detail the social changes brought about by the depopulation and subsequent creation of the middle class economy.
So what are the potential changes from Corona in terms of bringing manufacturing out of China; how would a significant decrease in third world overpopulation affect migration and the declining birthrate in the West?

Oh yeah. Isn't Bernie in the prime demographic for being vulnerable to Corona?

Many are.

Added: but a disease that takes out a small population slice, disproportionately people past their prime productive and child-rearing years, won't damage a country, and might in fact give it a boost.

[S.A. Boggs]

Many are.

Added: but a disease that takes out a small population slice, disproportionately people past their prime productive and child-rearing years, won't damage a country, and might in fact give it a boost.

Unless you are the one who it takes out. The pandemic of 1918 took out basically the 25-40 crowd for some strange reason. I an my family are at the top of the food chain and we are planning on staying there.
Sam

[togor]

Unless you are the one who it takes out. The pandemic of 1918 took out basically the 25-40 crowd for some strange reason. I an my family are at the top of the food chain and we are planning on staying there.
Sam

Sure no one likes it when their number comes up. But the question was about how it may affect entire countries.

The most logical theory for age selectivity of the 1918 flu is that it bore a resemblance to something that had come around 40 years earlier, so older people had residual resistance. Younger ones usually bounce back from the flu anyways. And of course, during wartime, people in that prime age were most likely to be concentrated due to military service.

[RED]

They're saying it's in Iran now, which has some cities with high population densities and limited public health resources.
Who could ask for more?

Good.

[barretcreek]

Good.

Goo would agree.

My mother had the 1918 flu and just died last June.

[m1ashooter]

Goo would agree.

My mother had the 1918 flu and just died last June.

My Great Uncle had the 1918 flu as a young Army Private and it killed him.

[Art]

Back to the subject of disease. The number of actual cases is small. The number of cases outside China is tiny. The issue is keeping it that way. I understand that there are people coming into the United States right now lying about where they've been because they don't want to be quarantined. There are also still people coming into the U.S. from China and other east Asian countries where the virus is spreading.

Panic can be almost as big a problem as the disease. It seems there is a bump in cases in Italy. The news last night showed grocery stores in Italy and the shelves area as bare there as they would be in Houston the day before a Hurricane landfall.

When I was doing my educator thing I learned the importance of clean hands and to this day I never pass a hand sanitizer dispenser without using it.

Speaking of panic. I had intended to buy some face masks since they are useful for many things and never did. Well this corona thing inspired me to get some....well.....too late. I looked for quite a while on line and what I wanted was sold out on every site I looked at. I did some grocery shopping today and the pharmacies were sold out as well. This is before, I think. a single known person has caught the disease while in the U.S.

[barretcreek]

Speculators.

[S.A. Boggs]

Speaking of panic. I had intended to buy some face masks since they are useful for many things and never did. Well this corona thing inspired me to get some....well.....too late. I looked for quite a while on line and what I wanted was sold out on every site I looked at. I did some grocery shopping today and the pharmacies were sold out as well. This is before, I think. a single known person has caught the disease while in the U.S.

I took Jon's advice and bought 3 3M respirators and extra filters for them @ Lowes rather then masks, which I hate to wear.
Sam

[jon_norstog]

More here: I went to the NET meeting last night - the neighbo5rhood emergency teams. I figured they would be talking about the coronavirus, but they weren't. After they got through the agenda I asked if they had any guidaqnce at all on it. They said No, they were waiting for direction from above. I asked them how many of them would volunteer as caregivers, given that they would be about 100% certain to come down with the virus. They all hemmed and hawed.

I'ma gonna contact County Health and see what they have going.

jn

[PeteDavis]

You will need extra taters.

PD