Canary and the coal mine

[PWC]

What about wiping down the milk and stuff that goes in the frige? Wash vegies too..

I guess you have a sanitary trunk or P/U bed. Anything that is cold cold will sweat and pick up whatever it is set in (fuzz, dirt, dog hair..when's the last time you went to the dump?)

Safeway , after being "acquired" by Kroger, quit putting gallon milk nxxxx, OJ, iced tea in bags/sacks, but they will ONLY if you ask them to. Your shopping experience may be dIfferent.

[Vern Humphrey]

-I'd eat **** before I'd drive a Jap truck- It takes some getting used to. It will reduce the population of people. Cleansing takes thought and direction. Your not an epidemiologist. I'd eat **** before I'd walk around with a mask on all day. Screw NY. I'll move to Montana. If it gets up there well then I guess it was God's will or something. Remember Harry Truman, the guy who refused to leave Mt. St. Helen's? That shows some style.

But Harry Truman only risked his own life. If you move to Montana carrying the virus with you, what then?

[lyman]

Well, no surprise in this time of media-inflamed hysteria. But ask them, "If the virus has attached itself to your clothing, why hasn't it attached itself inside your respiratory tract?" An ordinary mask, if that's what these crack-brains are wearing, won't stop the virus!

it's what makes them feel safe, and they are convinced it will help,

not for me to burst that bubble,

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I guess you have a sanitary trunk or P/U bed. Anything that is cold cold will sweat and pick up whatever it is set in (fuzz, dirt, dog hair..when's the last time you went to the dump?)

Safeway , after being "acquired" by Kroger, quit putting gallon milk nxxxx, OJ, iced tea in bags/sacks, but they will ONLY if you ask them to. Your shopping experience may be dIfferent.

kroger called that Strive for Five, as in a minimum of 5 items per bag, but Eight was Great, if you could get eight to fit,


once had a guy, his title was ROS (Retail Ops Superintendent) , we naturally called him a POS,,

anyway, he set up some product on a register at a meeting and showed all us Store Managers how to pack a bag,,

it a paper bag, and square and tight, and he managed to fit a pile of stuff in it,

of course,, the customer does buy all the same stuff, or want you , or that kid bagger, to stand there for a few minutes trying to get each item in the bag like a puzzle,,,,

[PWC]

I went to work as a bagger for Kroger in 1960, and worked as stocker and in produce. Part of the bagger training was how to bag the 50 lb (large), 25 lb and 5 lb paper bags. They did say to bag for the customer, ie. Little old ladies don't carry heavy bags. Ice cream always went in a plastic bag, and any cold stuff always went in a sack, except ice. 60 years later I still have a deformed half moon on my right thumbnail because a helpfull little old lady closed her car's back door on my thumb.

[clintonhater]

it's what makes them feel safe, and they are convinced it will help,

not for me to burst that bubble,

Went to grocery store yesterday. Checker wearing mask & gloves, plus a big plastic screen between me & her. Laid my canvas shopping bag on counter, but she said she wasn't allowed to touch it even with gloves, so I'd have to fill it myself, which I prefer anyway because I ALWAYS do a better job than the checkers. Was tempted to ask her if the items I'd bought had been sanitized, but of course realized this craziness was not her choice. In this state, throw-away plastic bags had recently been banned, halleluiah!, but this panic has precipitated a return to the old throw-away culture.

[Vern Humphrey]

Went to grocery store yesterday. Checker wearing mask & gloves, plus a big plastic screen between me & her. Laid my canvas shopping bag on counter, but she said she wasn't allowed to touch it even with gloves, so I'd have to fill it myself, which I prefer anyway because I ALWAYS do a better job than the checkers. Was tempted to ask her if the items I'd bought had been sanitized, but of course realized this craziness was not her choice. In this state, throw-away plastic bags had recently been banned, halleluiah!, but this panic has precipitated a return to the old throw-away culture.

There's a story in this month's Discover magazine about how cloth bags are a loser -- takes more energy to make them than you'll ever recoup. Throwaway plastic bags are better for the environment -- especially if you return them to the recycling bin.

[clintonhater]

Throwaway plastic bags are better for the environment -- especially if you return them to the recycling bin.

That's bullxxxx, Vern. Most recycling operations won't even accept plastic bags because (so they say) they clog up the conveyor belts used in recycling operations. I once tried stuffing them into larger plastic containers, & was forced to remove them!

I'd cancel my subscription to that mag, because energy consumption in manufacture is the LEAST of the environmental problems caused by plastic bags. What you need to do is walk down any public road & pick up every one you find in the roadside ditch; I'll exempt you from chasing down all those blown off into the woods, fields, or streams, hung up in trees, etc., because retrieving even a fraction of those would kill you.

[lyman]

That's bullxxxx, Vern. Most recycling operations won't even accept plastic bags because (so they say) they clog up the conveyor belts used in recycling operations. I once tried stuffing them into larger plastic containers, & was forced to remove them!

I'd cancel my subscription to that mag, because energy consumption in manufacture is the LEAST of the environmental problems caused by plastic bags. What you need to do is walk down any public road & pick up every one you find in the roadside ditch; I'll exempt you from chasing down all those blown off into the woods, fields, or streams, hung up in trees, etc., because retrieving even a fraction of those would kill you.

well, speaking for both of my former employers,

when you recycle the bags at the grocer,, they send them back (called Salvage) to the whse and they are recycled,

we bag them up and sent back dozens on each salvage run (pallets, plastic etc that went back to the whse_)


poly fill,

more bags,

filler for archery targets etc,



and yes, our local recycler wants nothing to do with them , they want you to put them in the standard trash

[clintonhater]

well, speaking for both of my former employers,

when you recycle the bags at the grocer,, they send them back (called Salvage) to the whse and they are recycled,

we bag them up and sent back dozens on each salvage run (pallets, plastic etc that went back to the whse_)



poly fill,

more bags,

filler for archery targets etc,



and yes, our local recycler wants nothing to do with them , they want you to put them in the standard trash

Yes, what you describe is great, Lyman, but what percentage of all the bags used are recycled that way? Judging from what I see while driving, or when walking in some fields with my dogs along the highway, it's not great. One of these big hay fields is at least 1000 yds wide, & I see bags hung up in brush on the far side from the road! It would be preferable, I admit, simply to KILL all those throwing them out their car windows, as they deserve, & allow responsible folk to continue using them, but until that becomes possible (killing those MFs, I mean), banning them is the best option.

[lyman]

Yes, what you describe is great, Lyman, but what percentage of all the bags used are recycled that way? Judging from what I see while driving, or when walking in some fields with my dogs along the highway, it's not great. One of these big hay fields is at least 1000 yds wide, & I see bags hung up in brush on the far side from the road! It would be preferable, I admit, simply to KILL all those throwing them out their car windows, as they deserve, & allow responsible folk to continue using them, but until that becomes possible (killing those MFs, I mean), banning them is the best option.

not many, surely,

I wanna say a box of bags, (Plastic) was 3000,,, or maybe 5000,,


packed tight in a box,

how many made it back in the recycle bin and then to the warehouse? I would bet 25% would be a high number,


funny thing too about recycle bins,, folks don't read the labels on the bins, so they are often found full of trash,,


and sometimes that clerk the empties the bins will toss the recycle in the trash as well,

[PWC]

Those that do go free-astray breakdown in sunlight (UV) and ozone.

[clintonhater]

Those that do go free-astray breakdown in sunlight (UV) and ozone.

BULLSHAT!!! In maybe 50 yrs, if not longer. Furthermore, those that get covered by grass or leaves aren't exposed to sunlight. Have you ever in your life participated in a roadside clean-up?

[Vern Humphrey]

That's bullxxxx, Vern. Most recycling operations won't even accept plastic bags because (so they say) they clog up the conveyor belts used in recycling operations. I once tried stuffing them into larger plastic containers, & was forced to remove them!

That's funny. There's a recycling bin for plastic bags by the front door of every Wal Mart in the country.

I'd cancel my subscription to that mag, because energy consumption in manufacture is the LEAST of the environmental problems caused by plastic bags. What you need to do is walk down any public road & pick up every one you find in the roadside ditch; I'll exempt you from chasing down all those blown off into the woods, fields, or streams, hung up in trees, etc., because retrieving even a fraction of those would kill you.

That's funny. My church has adopted a mile of highway, and we walk down it periodically, picking up trash. We're not over-taxed picking up plastic bags.

[Roadkingtrax]

Come on Vern, you know those go under the sink...and line the trash cans in the bathroom.

[lyman]

Come on Vern, you know those go under the sink...and line the trash cans in the bathroom.

yep, got a bag full of bags under the bathroom sink,,,