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  • Art
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    • Dec 2009
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    #31
    Originally posted by blackhawknj
    Also I hsve read that at Midway the Japanese's most serious losses were not of pilots but of maintenance and engine room personnel.
    That is correct. The Japanese had a shortage of trained mechanics and technical people from the jump. You might enjoy "Fire in the Sky" which is an excellent account of the air war in the South Pacific and deals with that in detail.

    Japan wasn't mechanized at the level of the average person. We on the other hand were a nation of mechanics and tinkerers with an almost unlimited supply of mechanics and technicians including farm boys working on tractors and city kids tinkering with cars and building crystal radios.
    Last edited by Art; 02-27-2022, 04:49.

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    • dryheat
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      • Sep 2009
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      #32
      There seem to be a lot of books called Fire in the Sky. Help.
      If I should die before I wake...great,a little more sleep.

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      • Art
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        #33
        Originally posted by dryheat
        There seem to be a lot of books called Fire in the Sky. Help.
        Fire in The Sky
        The Air War in the South Pacific
        Eric M Bergerud

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        • Art
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          #34
          The Battle of the Eastern Solomons - August 24-25 1942

          After Midway, the action shifted back to the Southwest Pacific. The United States invaded Guadalcanal and initially the defeat at Savo Island left the Marines stranded on the island.

          In late August the the Japanese moved to reinforce Guadalcanal with the "Ichiki" Regiment, which was totally inadequate to the job by the way. The Japanese moved very heavy naval forces into the area including the CVs Shokaku and Zuikaku augmented by the light carrier Ryujo.

          Ryujo was advanced to launch an air strike on the US Airfield on Guadalcanal (Henderson Field) that was supposed to be augment by G4M Japanese Navy medium land based bombers. The G4Ms were stopped by bad weather. The Ryujo strike, 6 B5N "Kates" escorted by 15 Zeros. The Kates bombed the field but the strike was ineffective. However, Ryujo was found by scout planes and a massive strike from Saratoga sent her to the bottom. Scouts from the Japanese found the Saratoga - Enterprise group and launched their strikes in the early afternoon. Poor management of the American CAP resulted in the late arrival of the Enterprise and Saratoga's Wildcats but they did manage some disruption of the dive bomber attacks but the Vals landed three hits on Enterprise damaging her badly, but superb American damage control actually allowed her to resume flight operations later in the day but the damage sent her back to the dock yard for repairs.

          The battle disrupted the Japanese reinforcement efforts and the Japanese lost a carrier and more air craft and air crew. All in all it was an American victory. The Japanese who had to win big every time were now 0 for 3.
          Last edited by Art; 02-24-2022, 06:08.

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          • Art
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            #35
            Torpedo Alley Sept. 1-15 1942.

            Japanese submarines were not the most effective, partly because of design issues and partly because of strategic and tactical issues in their deployment. They did have their moments though, and early September 1942 was a high point.

            On September 1, the Saratoga was torpedoed again, this time by I-26 and was back in drydock again. On September 15 I-19 fired the most devastating torpedo salvo in history. The Wasp and Hornet were conducting flight operations when I-19 achieved firing position and fired a six torpedo salvo at Wasp. Three hit the Wasp which probably would have sunk anyway but whose design defects made it a sure thing. One torpedo running long hit the Destroyer O'Brien that, due to underestimation of the damage foundered several weeks later. The last hit the Battleship North Carolina which was over the horizon, blew an 18 x 32 foot hole in the forward plating, jammed the number 1 16" mount. After counterflooding and shoring up North Carolina continued on at 25 knots, but would also need a drydock.

            In two weeks the U.S. had two carriers taken out of action, one permanently.
            Last edited by Art; 02-27-2022, 12:11.

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            • lyman
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              • Aug 2009
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              #36
              Art

              keep up the good work

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              • blackhawknj
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                #37
                The Japanese "Long Lance " torpedo was vastly superior to our Mark XIV, which had serious defects which were not corrected until September 1943.
                Last edited by blackhawknj; 02-26-2022, 10:22.

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                • Art
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                  #38
                  The Battle of the Santa Cruz Islands - October 25-27 1942

                  The Japanese carrier forces mission in this action was to prevent the American aircraft carriers from intervening in an attempt to recapture the American airfield (Henderson Field) on Guadalcanal. It was also seen as a chance to inflict more casualties on the American Carrier forces. The Japanese bet the house on this committing four fleet carriers, Zuikaku, Shokaku, Hiyo (Hiyo developed electrical issues and didn't make the trip) and Junyo as well as the light carrier Zuiho, as well as four battleships, eight heavy cruisers, 2 light cruisers and 25 destroyers. We were running on empty with our carrier forces with the Hornet and patched up Enterprise together with their screen of cruisers and destroyers. The American anti aircraft armament had been significantly upgraded by the replacement of the old quad 1.1" guns with director controlled 40 mm Bofors guns and additional 20 mm Oerlikons. The Bofors guns especially would become a grim reaper of Japanese aircraft.

                  The carrier groups found each other almost simultaneously and launched strikes. We got in the first lick when scouting Dauntlesses found the three fastest carriers and put a couple of bombs into the flight deck of Zuiho. The American and Japanese strikes actually passed each other and Zeros from Zuiho went after the Americans. While they shot down some of the American strike aircraft they reduced the escort for their own bombers which would have consequences a bit later.

                  The Shokaku had a brand new radar set on board. Now back then radar was art as much as science, but the operator on Shokaku had real talent and detected the Americans at 70 miles. This gave the crew the chance to purge the fuel lines which may have saved the ship, because the American strike scored multiple hits on the flight deck forcing Shokaku to withdraw. The Americans had trouble vectoring their CAP fighters to intercept the incoming strikes. The Wildcats did arrive belatedly and do some damage to the "Kate" torpedo planes. The Japanese strike attacking through sheets of tracers and flak you could walk on, suffered heavy losses but found Hornet and planted two torpedoes into her while dive bombers hit Enterprise with two semi armor piercing bombs and some damaging near misses. In this battle the Japanese were extremely aggressive, launching multiple strikes and repeatedly hitting the Damaged Hornet.

                  By now the Americans had had enough, Hornet was abandoned to her fate and Enterprise began to withdraw. The Japanese would find Hornet, survey the situation, and scuttle her with torpedoes.

                  The result was a Japanese victory by any measure. They had prevented the intervention of the American carriers in the offensive on Guadalcanal, sunk one carrier, damaged another. A destroyer was also sunk. They retained possession of the field and had more ships and aircraft remaining.

                  BUT!!! The Japanese lost 148 veteran aircrew including two strike leaders, 2 dive bomber group leaders and 3 torpedo squadron leaders. 49% of the torpedo squadron crews and 39% of the dive bomber crews that launched that day were KIA. 409 of the 706 aircrew that attacked Pearl Harbor were now dead. These were losses the Japanese naval air arm would never recover from.
                  Last edited by Art; 03-09-2022, 05:14.

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                  • dryheat
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                    #39
                    Very enjoyable read.
                    If I should die before I wake...great,a little more sleep.

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                    • Art
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                      #40
                      October 1942 - June 1944

                      By the end of 1942 the Americans and the Japanese had succeeded in effectively sweeping each other's carrier forces from the Pacific. The United States had lost four fleet carriers. The very battered Enterprise was in Pearl Harbor for an extended stay which left the U.S. forces with the Saratoga. Since the "Sara" was not a carrier group we were stuck with borrowing the HMS Victorious from the Brits to operate with her. Victorious had a Brit Crew but operated a US Air Group. This patchwork arrangement was used for several months until the Enterprise became available.

                      The Japanese problem was different. They had Carriers, they had just lost so many experienced pilots that they didn't sortie. Sending the aircrew and aircraft of Carrier Division 5. Shokaku and Zuikaku to the south Pacific where they were almost entirely lost over a period of a year in a meatgrinder of air combat didn't help the matter at all. In the video below from the Japanese movie "Isoroku Yamamoto" the Japanese Admiral lays out a truly desperate scenario for victory. When he talks about the Third Fleet carriers he is actually talking about the Carrier Division 5 air groups, not the ships themselves. Also, while the Marianas was where the "last battle" Yamamoto talks about was actually fought there were other possible locations, including Formosa where they thought it might occur. The initiative was all with the Americans.



                      The need for pilots was so desperate that what was unthinkable two years before was being done. Recruiting films in movie theaters.



                      I have tried every way I know to get the above link to work but no joy. If you want to watch it go to Youtube and type in WWII Japanese Pilot Recruiting Film.

                      The Americans spent their time building carriers and lots of them. The Essex Class fleet carriers would be the most numerous class of capital ships ever built with 24 completed in all. Add to them the light fleet carriers built on light and heavy cruiser hulls and you see how overwhelming things would be. We also had the advantage of having a lot more experienced pilots remaining than the Japanese and put new guys through and exacting and rigorous training program. Many of these new guys would see action in the Island Hopping campaigns and in the South Pacific before June of 1944.
                      Last edited by Art; 03-09-2022, 05:15.

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                      • Art
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                        #41
                        New aircraft carriers post 1943; both the United States and Japan made aircraft carrier production a highest priority after the losses of the 1942 battles.

                        Japanese Aircraft Carriers:

                        For the Japanese these come in two varieties, those built which actually carried air wings and those which were completed after Japanese naval aviation ceased to exist. Those that were finished in time to carry air wings:

                        Taiho CV
                        27,700 tons
                        33 Knots
                        65 Aircraft

                        This is an interesting one. It was an armored carrier similar to the British ones. The Japanese intended to make more of these but construction was too expensive and they took too long to build.

                        Chitose class CVL
                        Chiyoda
                        Converted sea plane tenders
                        11,900 tons
                        30 Aircraft
                        29 Knots

                        These never carried an air group and spent most of their careers bobbing around the inland sea.

                        Unryu Class CV
                        Amagi
                        Katsugiri
                        22, 534 tons
                        34 Knots
                        65 Aircraft

                        Unryu was sunk by an American submarine while being used as a high speed supply ship hauling cargo to the Philippines.

                        Shinano CV
                        Converted battleship
                        71,859 tons
                        55 Aircraft
                        27 Knots

                        Shinano was actually a combination carrier/depot ship made to support other carriers, thus its relatively small air group. Sunk by an American submarine on a shakedown cruise.

                        American Carriers:

                        Essex Class CV

                        24 total construction 13 of which were built in time to see significant service in WW II.
                        27,100 tons
                        90-100 Aircraft
                        33 Knots

                        Independence class CVL
                        Converted light cruisers
                        9 ships, all commissioned in 1943
                        11,000 Tons
                        33 Aircraft
                        31 Knots
                        Last edited by Art; 03-22-2022, 06:25.

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                        • barretcreek
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                          • Sep 2013
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                          #42
                          Art,
                          Will you go into the manner by which we were able to turn out increasing numbers of fairly competent fledgling aviators while IJN was not?

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                          • Art
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                            #43
                            Originally posted by barretcreek
                            Art,
                            Will you go into the manner by which we were able to turn out increasing numbers of fairly competent fledgling aviators while IJN was not?
                            I mentioned that in a previous post but, essentially, the Japanese navy was running on empty on pilots by late 1943, and their program for new guys was by necessity more abbreviated and suffered from a lack of experienced men as instructors. We on the other hand had a lot more of the pilots we started the war with in 1943 and many of these men were rotated back as instructors. This gave us the luxury of being able to do a much more comprehensive training program for new pilots. Our new pilots who started to appear in mid - late 1943 were much better trained because we weren't in the desperation mode the Japanese were. Our new pilots obtained valuable experience in the southwest Pacific and the island hopping campaign along side an experienced corps of veterans.

                            When the Japanese started showing films in movie theaters recruiting pilots it was a sign they were in trouble. We never had a shortage of volunteers who wanted to fly.
                            Last edited by Art; 03-08-2022, 09:10.

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                            • Art
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                              #44
                              Aircraft post 1942. New models and a major upgrade.

                              Top speeds are WEP (war emergency power.) Range is combat radius.

                              The Americans

                              The SB2C Helldiver
                              Crew 2: Pilot, Radio Operator Gunner
                              Speed : 295 mph
                              Range : 300 miles
                              Armament: 2x20mm cannon in the wings. 2x.30 cal. machine guns in rear upper fuselage, 4x.50 cal. machine guns in underwing pods (optional.) 2,000 bombs in a bomb bay or 1 torpedo, 8 High Velocity Aerial Rockets.

                              "The last dive bomber" had a long and troubled (some would say scandal plagued) development that led to investigations and congressional hearings. It has been argued that it was only marginally superior to the SBD Dauntless dive bomber it replaced. In fact at the "Battle of the Philippine Sea" where both types were engaged there were more losses of Helldivers than Dauntlesses.

                              The F6F Hellcat

                              Crew : Pilot
                              Speed : 391 mph
                              Rate of climb : 2,600 feet per minute
                              Range : 820 miles
                              Armament : 6x.50 cal. machine guns.

                              Superior to all models of the Zero it was designed to defeat in every area except low speed maneuverability and climb rate it was the master of the Japanese fighter once it came into service in 1943.

                              F4U1D Corsair

                              Crew : 1 Pilot
                              Speed: 425 mph
                              Climb : 3,200 fpm
                              Range: 800 miles
                              Armament: 6x.50 machine guns.

                              Not assigned to US carriers until late in the war, after the Brits had proven it capable of operating from them with some margin of safety.

                              The Japanese

                              The Nakajima B6N "Jill"

                              Crew : 3 Pilot, Observer/Bombardier/Navigator, Radio Operator / Gunner
                              Speed : 300 mph
                              Range: 900 miles
                              Armament: 1 7,7mm machine gun in rear cockpit, 1 7.7 mm machine gun in ventral tunnel. 1 Type 91 Torpedo, or 1,700 pounds of bombs, or 2,250 pounds of bombs (suicide attacker)

                              The replacement for the B5N Kate it was slow in development and never completely replaced it.

                              The Yokusuka D4Y "Judy"

                              Crew : 2 Pilot, Radio Operator/ Gunner
                              Speed: 340 mph
                              Range: 800 miles
                              Armament: 2 forward firing 7.7 mm machine guns, 1 7.7mm machine gun in rear cockpit, 1,100 pounds of bombs or 1,800 pounds of bombs (suicide attacker)

                              Replacement for the D3Y "Val" dive bomber it proved too heavy to operate off of some light carriers so the Val soldiered on. Due to its very high speed for a bomber it was sometimes used as a night fighter from land bases.

                              The A6M5 Zero series
                              Crew : 1 Pilot
                              Speed: 351 mph (365 mph WEP)
                              Rate of Climb: 3,300 fpm
                              Range: 900 miles
                              Armament: 1 13.2mm and 1 7,7mm mg in upper cowling, 2 x 20 mm cannon in the wings.

                              An attempt to remedy the deficiencies of the earlier Zeros. The wings were shortened and skin was thickened to improve dive speed taking "never exceed speed" from 360 mph in earlier versions to 410 to 460 mph depending on the variation of the A6M5 series making it capable of an actual dive. The 20 mm cannon were upgraded with a rate of fire increase from about 550 rounds per minute to 750 rounds per minute and an increase in ammunition from 60 to 125 rounds per gun. An armored wind screen and later armor for the pilots back were also added as were fire extinguishers for the wing fuel tanks. It was still inferior to both the Hellcat and later to the Corsair. Inferior Japanese pilots post 1943 didn't help either.
                              Last edited by Art; 03-22-2022, 04:00.

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                              • Art
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                                #45
                                The Battle of the Philippine Sea, June 19-20 1944

                                Sorry for the delay getting back to this.

                                In the Summer of 1944 nearly 20 months had passed since the last battle between us and Japanese carrier forces. Both sides had been severely mauled in the carrier battles of 1942 and spent the time refitting and re equipping. The industrial power of the United States was beginning to tell as they were almost mass producing aircraft carriers, not to mention aircraft for them. US Pilots were better trained, had more combat experience and there were a lot more of them. On the other hand, the Japanese were mostly making up lost carrier tonnage by converting existing ships. They had had heavy aircraft losses, and more important heavy losses of pilots in the carrier battles of 1942 and the air battles of the South Pacific in 1943.

                                The Japanese had always counted on decisively winning a battle that would force the Americans into negotiations, and had had two unsuccessful bights of the apple at Pearl Harbor and Midway. The new decisive battle was to be on the ring of defenses that went through the Palaus and Carolines up through the Marianas.

                                The Americans got a big "heads up" when the Japanese plans were found by a Philippino Guerilla after the plane carrying them crashed. The Japanese plan was to destroy the fast carrier strike forces of the United States. The Americans assumed (incorrectly) that Japanese intentions were purely opposing the U.S. Invasion.

                                On June 12 US Airstrikes hit the island of Saipan. The Japanese Combined Fleet sortied as soon as it could raise steam. It's carrier striking force consisted of three squadrons of carrier grouped by size and speed. The three biggest and fastest carriers, Shokaku, Zuikaku, and the brand new Taiho formed the First Squadron, three fast light carriers formed another and the two slower fleet carriers, Hiyo and Junyo along with an equally slow light carrier formed the third. They embarked about 540 aircraft, almost all new or upgraded types. In addition the Japanese could count on about three hundred aircraft of all types based in the Mariannas. The Americans deployed four groups of carriers. All had 2 CV, and CVL except for one which had one CV and 2 CVL. The American carriers embarked about 900 aircraft.

                                The Japanese counted on the range advantage of their aircraft and the bases in the Marianas to allow them to hit without being hit back

                                American submarines detected the Japanese on the 15th.

                                With the priority to protect the beach head on Saipan the slow battleships and escort carriers were assigned to protect the landings. The fast carriers to engage the Japanese. A "gun line" of fast battleships. cruisers and destroyers was placed between the Japanese and the carriers to engage any Japanese aircraft that got through the combat air patrol.

                                On the morning of the 19th of June, before sunrise, the Japanese began a search for the American Carriers. A Zero carrying a bomb found the Americans, radioed their position, began a bombing run on a picket destroyer and was promptly shot down.

                                The Japanese then launched an attack with their land based aircraft which resulted in the loss of over 30 of their aircraft in exchange for one Hellcat. At about the same time the first carrier strike was detected on US radar, the fighters were recalled and vectored to the incoming strike (American problems with coordinating their CAP had been completely solved.) Four Japanese strikes resulted in 361 aircraft lost in aerial combat or to the anti aircraft fire of the "gun line" and the carriers and their screen, in exchange for a hand full of US losses. The problem the US had, though, was the Japanese were well outside the range of US search aircraft so remained undetected.

                                The Japanese were out of range of US scout aircraft but not US Submarines. USS Albacore put a single torpedo into the Taiho. This should have been easily survivable but the losses of Japanese technicians and mechanics included damage control. Taiho's damage control officer was very young and very inexperienced. Without going into detail every decision he made made the situation worse. Six hours after being hit a massive fuel vapor explosion destroyed the ship.

                                The USS Cavalla later put four torpedoes into the Shokaku. Never a lucky ship (she seemed to take damage in every engagement,) the Shokaku's luck ran out completely. This time her wounds were not survivable and she joined Taiho on the bottom.

                                Even with only 150 combat worthy aircraft remaining the Japanese decided to continue the battle but late in the afternoon an American scout found the Japanese at the extreme limit of the range of American aircraft. The Americans launched 250 aircraft at extreme range before getting an update that the Japanese were already, essentially out of range. The first strike was allowed to continue but a second cancelled. The Japanese had 35 Zeros in their CAP which was pretty good by 1942 standards but even though they were ably handled by the best remaining pilots, no where near capable of dealing with this strike. The Americans sank the Carrier Hiyo, and damaged some other ships. After subtracting the planes lost to the Americans in combat in this strike and the ones that went down with the Hiyo the Japanese had less than 50 aircraft left.

                                Japan had lost its last real task force. It still had carriers and would build more but would never come close to reconstituting its air groups.

                                After the war, when Adm. Jisuboro Ozawa who commanded the carriers at the Philippine Sea, was asked, after the war, about the quality of Japanese aircraft and pilots over the course of the war; his reply was "the planes got better the pilots got worse." This was true of Japanese naval personnel overall, they simply could not replace personnel with men of equal quality.
                                Last edited by Art; 04-25-2022, 03:55.

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