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Hasn’t been any new posts lately. Thought some might be interested in a few photos of an arsenal reworked 1896 Krag rifle. Most of these will be dated 1901 and fitted with either an 1896 or 1901 style sight. This particular rifle is an earlier 1900 dated specimen and so far the only one I have seen. 1896 carbines will also be found, though both I have seen have been fitted with the later short stock made without the cut out for the sling ring.
To my knowledge no data has been found on these reworked 1896 rifles and carbines but enough have been found to suspect these are legitimate Springfield produced weapons.
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Hasn’t been any new posts lately. Thought some might be interested in a few photos of an arsenal reworked 1896 Krag rifle. Most of these will be dated 1901 and fitted with either an 1896 or 1901 style sight. This particular rifle is an earlier 1900 dated specimen and so far the only one I have seen. 1896 carbines will also be found, though both I have seen have been fitted with the later short stock made without the cut out for the sling ring.
To my knowledge no data has been found on these reworked 1896 rifles and carbines but enough have been found to suspect these are legitimate Springfield produced weapons.
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The royalty payment situation makes me wonder if they are rebuilds, inspected and stamped, that would then need royalties paid a second time. It has always been my understanding that royalties were paid on inspected rifles and carbines. I have seen a very few rifles in the past and questioned Bill Mook about them. His response was that they were assembled from "left over" 1896 receivers as "busy" work to use up parts and keep men working. I do not recall him giving a source documentation though. More food for thoughtComment
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It seems odd to me that a rebuilt model 1896 Krag would receive a fresh 'acceptance cartouche', dated 1900 or 1901, on the replaced stock. The arm had more than likely already been accepted, years previous.
If a new replacement stock was put on at Springfield Armory or another U.S. Arsenal, it seems more probable the rebuilt arm would receive only the 'circled P' stamp. (Also, IMHO - There would be no reason to have to pay a second royalty on an action, already paid for).
If a used and reconditioned stock was utilized, for the rebuild, it would have the remains of a 'cartouche & date' from its previous arm.
Maybe the '1900 & 1901 cartouche' stocks were actually reused model 1898 rifle stocks that had the 'Bolt-Area Recess' expertly re-cut to accept the model 1896 action? (Just a wild thought).Last edited by butlersrangers; 12-29-2017, 12:23.Comment
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'nf1e' - Nice Spread you have!
Your Stock looks like the later, 'heavy wrist' type, to me.
FWIW - A picture showing a 'thin wrist' stock:
krag detail 1896-1892.jpgLast edited by butlersrangers; 12-30-2017, 06:28.Comment
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Can you show the other side of the stock around the bolt cut out?Comment
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'nf1e' - You appear to actually have a U.S. model 1898 Krag. The OP was questioning the late 'cartouche dates' on some U.S. model 1896 Krags.Last edited by butlersrangers; 12-30-2017, 12:54.Comment
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There was someone on facebook who was questioning a 1901 cartouched 1896 not long ago. My guess would be they had some 96 receivers still in the system when the boss said in July 1898, "We're going to start producing 1898s." Come 1900-1902, with it being obvious there was a new rifle on the way, time to tidy up accounting so that royalties could be paid. I'm sure they still had the tooling to cut the bolt handle recess and flare still on hand."I have sworn upon the Altar of God, eternity hostility upon all forms of tyranny over the minds of man." - Thomas JeffersonComment
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What do I know. I saw the question about the 1900 and remembered this one had one.
I will head back to my M14s where I am just a little more comfortable.
Happy New Year to all.
Semper Fi
ArtComment
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Art - Don't take any offense. Krags are interesting with many little subtleties worthy of study. Happy New Year!Comment
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