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  • nf1e
    Senior Member
    • Nov 2012
    • 2122

    #1

    03A3 Service grades.

    Pulled a couple of my Remington 03A3 Service grades out of the safe for a good cleaning and lubing in preparation for the upcoming season. Whatta Hobby!


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  • Art
    Senior Member, Deceased
    • Dec 2009
    • 9256

    #2
    Fine looking rifles.

    In my humble opinion the Model 1903A3 was the best of the Mauser System rifles. I know I'd get an argument from some folks who favor the Swedes but one way or another they are a top end rifle if you have to carry a bolt gun into combat.
    Last edited by Art; 01-01-2023, 02:14.

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    • nf1e
      Senior Member
      • Nov 2012
      • 2122

      #3
      Don't plan on carrying anything into combat ever again. Now , they are but toys for an old dinosaur.

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      • Art
        Senior Member, Deceased
        • Dec 2009
        • 9256

        #4
        Originally posted by nf1e
        Don't plan on carrying anything into combat ever again. Now , they are but toys for an old dinosaur.
        Well that's obviously all very true for me as well. I have two kinds of firearms, recreational and serious. My serious guns for self defense are modern firearms. The recreational guns are "vintage" firearms. But the statement stands, if I had to use a Mauser type bolt action repeater in 1943-44, when the day of the bolt action repeater was almost done, and had a choice it would be an '03A3 for what I think are some pretty good reasons. Despite its faults, though, my first choice in a bolt action repeater would still be a No4 Lee Enfield.
        Last edited by Art; 01-06-2023, 01:38.

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        • Vern Humphrey
          Administrator - OFC
          • Aug 2009
          • 15875

          #5
          Originally posted by Art
          Well that's obviously all very true for me as well. I have two kinds of firearms, recreational and serious. My serious guns for self defense are modern firearms. The recreational guns are "vintage" firearms. But the statement stands, if I had to use a Mauser type bolt action repeater in 1943-44, when the day of the bolt action repeater was almost done, and had a choice it would be an '03A3 for what I think are some pretty good reasons. Despite its faults, though, my first choice in a bolt action repeater would still be a No4 Lee Enfield.
          I'd pick the '03A3 hands down. The No 4 Enfield has a peep sight -- a great improvement over the sights on it's predecessors, but so does the 03A3. I keep my Remington '03A3 zeroed for cast bullets and use it for small game. My Smith-Corona is zeroed for soft nose full velocity ammo and it's my "loaner" deer rifle.

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          • Merc
            Senior Member
            • Feb 2016
            • 1690

            #6
            Originally posted by Art
            Well that's obviously all very true for me as well. I have two kinds of firearms, recreational and serious. My serious guns for self defense are modern firearms. The recreational guns are "vintage" firearms. But the statement stands, if I had to use a Mauser type bolt action repeater in 1943-44, when the day of the bolt action repeater was almost done, and had a choice it would be an '03A3 for what I think are some pretty good reasons. Despite its faults, though, my first choice in a bolt action repeater would still be a No4 Lee Enfield.
            My first choice in battle rifles would also be the No. 4 with its 10 round magazine and buttery smooth action.

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            • Vern Humphrey
              Administrator - OFC
              • Aug 2009
              • 15875

              #7
              Originally posted by Merc
              My first choice in battle rifles would also be the No. 4 with its 10 round magazine and buttery smooth action.
              The 10 round magazine is an advantage in Volley Fire -- a tactic the British abandoned when their enemies quit standing in serried ranks. The No. 1 MK III* which came out in January of 1916 omitted the volley sights.

              Now consider this -- you and I are going to fire 100 rounds as fast as we can -- you have a SMLE, I have a Springfield. We start with loaded magazines. After 5 rounds, I have to reload. You keep firing for another 5 rounds, then you need to reload -- with 5-round clips. At the end of the exercise, I've crammed 19 5-round clips into my rifle, and you've used 18 -- not much difference.

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              • Merc
                Senior Member
                • Feb 2016
                • 1690

                #8
                R. Lee Ermey staged a head to head rapid fire competition between the M1903 and the Lee Enfield. The M1903 got smoked.



                Ermey was always entertaining. I miss him.

                However, going up against the M1 Garand was a different story.
                Last edited by Merc; 01-10-2023, 12:47.

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                • Vern Humphrey
                  Administrator - OFC
                  • Aug 2009
                  • 15875

                  #9
                  He was entertaining -- but notice how he fumbled reloading, both the Springfield and the Garand. I can reload a Garand a LOT faster than he can.

                  But to the point -- the scenario he set up is analogous to volley fire -- which was obsolete by 1916.

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                  • Roadkingtrax
                    Senior Member
                    • Feb 2010
                    • 7835

                    #10
                    It's the aiming that counts.
                    "The first gun that was fired at Fort Sumter sounded the death-knell of slavery. They who fired it were the greatest practical abolitionists this nation has produced." ~BG D. Ullman

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                    • Merc
                      Senior Member
                      • Feb 2016
                      • 1690

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Vern Humphrey
                      He was entertaining -- but notice how he fumbled reloading, both the Springfield and the Garand.
                      I can sympathize - It looks simple, but I have yet to successfully load any of my rifles with a stripper clip.

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                      • Merc
                        Senior Member
                        • Feb 2016
                        • 1690

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Roadkingtrax
                        It's the aiming that counts.
                        Absolutely correct. Aiming with 10 rounds in the magazine that could be easily topped off and didn’t go PING when it was empty. The Confederate soldiers complained the damn Yankees had new carbines that they would load on Sunday and shoot them all week.
                        Last edited by Merc; 01-10-2023, 03:18.

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                        • lyman
                          Administrator - OFC
                          • Aug 2009
                          • 11266

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Vern Humphrey
                          The 10 round magazine is an advantage in Volley Fire -- a tactic the British abandoned when their enemies quit standing in serried ranks. The No. 1 MK III* which came out in January of 1916 omitted the volley sights.

                          Now consider this -- you and I are going to fire 100 rounds as fast as we can -- you have a SMLE, I have a Springfield. We start with loaded magazines. After 5 rounds, I have to reload. You keep firing for another 5 rounds, then you need to reload -- with 5-round clips. At the end of the exercise, I've crammed 19 5-round clips into my rifle, and you've used 18 -- not much difference.
                          um,, Vern, the No 1 MK III* was just a change, (LoC) for 1916,
                          so technically, the No 1 Mk III* did not just come out, as a LoC, (list of changes) they were manufactured without , but some were redone with (and the * barred out) etc etc, others not changed till years later,

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                          • Roadkingtrax
                            Senior Member
                            • Feb 2010
                            • 7835

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Merc
                            Absolutely correct. Aiming with 10 rounds in the magazine that could be easily topped off and didn’t go PING when it was empty. The Confederate soldiers complained the damn Yankees had new carbines that they would load on Sunday and shoot them all week.
                            When R Lee was alive, he was a regular CMP shooter for the games matches. After shooting with him in Arizona, I'd say he could load the M1 and 1903 just fine for rapids.

                            I make sure my reloaded rounds run smooth in my stripper clips. I use the same 30-06 brass for all rifles and my M1's can certainly chew up the rims.
                            "The first gun that was fired at Fort Sumter sounded the death-knell of slavery. They who fired it were the greatest practical abolitionists this nation has produced." ~BG D. Ullman

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                            • lyman
                              Administrator - OFC
                              • Aug 2009
                              • 11266

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Roadkingtrax
                              It's the aiming that counts.
                              correct, and reloads are actually quite easy with all 3, if you practice

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