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  • dws123
    Junior Member
    • Feb 2012
    • 13

    #16
    Tells you, that you have a single or a double heat treated bolt.

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    • Emri
      Senior Member
      • Aug 2009
      • 1649

      #17
      Why does it always appear in the exact same location and orientation?
      Because they were marked during production while in place in a machine fixture.

      My SWAG,

      Emri

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      • Kurt
        Senior Member
        • Nov 2011
        • 488

        #18
        Perhaps the raw billets were stamped by the supplier that provided them. I am not familiar with the actual production process but do know the numbers represented the company that supplied it and a lot number that represented the make up of the steel.

        Kurt
        As the late Turner Kirkland was fond of saying, "If you want good oats, you have to pay the price. If you'll take oats that have already been through the horse, those come cheaper."

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        • John Beard
          Senior Member
          • Aug 2009
          • 2275

          #19
          Originally posted by Emri
          Because they were marked during production while in place in a machine fixture.

          My SWAG,

          Emri
          Got it!!!!! You uncovered the hidden message! Congratulations!

          And when the steel lot code location moved from the bottom of the safety lug to the top of the bolt handle, what does that tell you? That one should be easy.

          J.B.
          Last edited by John Beard; 01-17-2014, 07:16.

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          • Kurt
            Senior Member
            • Nov 2011
            • 488

            #20
            Change to DHT method with a couple exceptions in 1918.
            As the late Turner Kirkland was fond of saying, "If you want good oats, you have to pay the price. If you'll take oats that have already been through the horse, those come cheaper."

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            • John Beard
              Senior Member
              • Aug 2009
              • 2275

              #21
              Originally posted by Kurt
              Change to DHT method with a couple exceptions in 1918.
              The changed to DHT preceded steel lot code relocation by more than a year and 300,000 bolts. Good try.

              J.B.

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              • Kurt
                Senior Member
                • Nov 2011
                • 488

                #22
                Originally posted by John Beard
                The changed to DHT preceded steel lot code relocation by more than a year and 300,000 bolts. Good try.

                J.B.
                So, would it be correct that the C8 and some J5 straight handle bolts were DHT and still stamped with the steel lot code on the bottom of the lug? They then moved the stamping to the top with the change to the curved handle?
                As the late Turner Kirkland was fond of saying, "If you want good oats, you have to pay the price. If you'll take oats that have already been through the horse, those come cheaper."

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                • John Beard
                  Senior Member
                  • Aug 2009
                  • 2275

                  #23
                  Originally posted by Kurt
                  So, would it be correct that the C8 and some J5 straight handle bolts were DHT and still stamped with the steel lot code on the bottom of the lug? They then moved the stamping to the top with the change to the curved handle?
                  All C 8 bolts observed to date had straight handles and the steel lot code was stamped beneath the safety lug. The first J 5 bolts also had straight handles and the steel lot code was stamped beneath the safety lug. These were succeeded by curved-handle J 5 bolts with the steel lot code stamped beneath the safety lug. Production of curved-handle J 5 bolts ended in mid-1919.

                  Springfield resumed production of J 5 bolts in 1926. These also had curved handles, but the steel lot code was stamped atop the handle.

                  All C 8 and J 5 bolts are believed to be DHT, but no guarantees can be made. The steel lot code refers exclusively to the raw steel from the steel mill and is no conclusive indication of final heat treatment.

                  Hope this helps.

                  J.B.

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                  • Kurt
                    Senior Member
                    • Nov 2011
                    • 488

                    #24
                    John, very helpful and clears up an area I was curious about.

                    Regards

                    Kurt
                    As the late Turner Kirkland was fond of saying, "If you want good oats, you have to pay the price. If you'll take oats that have already been through the horse, those come cheaper."

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                    • John Beard
                      Senior Member
                      • Aug 2009
                      • 2275

                      #25
                      For those following the "hidden message" pursuit, Emri solved the initial riddle.

                      Springfield Armory used a fixture for stamping the steel lot code. So the codes were always stamped in the same sequence and same location. See my preceding post to get the proper method for holding the bolt and reading the code.

                      And the second "hidden message" was simpler. When the steel lot code location changed, that meant Springfield implemented a fixturing change. One day they were stamping codes beneath the safety lug. The next day they were stamping codes atop the bolt handle using a new fixture. The change was abrupt. There was no transition or overlap.

                      These discoveries came in very handy when trying to unravel and date all the bolt steel lot codes.

                      J.B.
                      Last edited by John Beard; 01-20-2014, 01:35.

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                      • Kurt
                        Senior Member
                        • Nov 2011
                        • 488

                        #26
                        Very interesting and always welcome tidbits. Did the switch to swept handles coincide with the change in lot code location or was it just happenstance for lack of a better word.

                        Much appreciated lesson.

                        Kurt
                        As the late Turner Kirkland was fond of saying, "If you want good oats, you have to pay the price. If you'll take oats that have already been through the horse, those come cheaper."

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                        • John Beard
                          Senior Member
                          • Aug 2009
                          • 2275

                          #27
                          Originally posted by Kurt
                          Very interesting and always welcome tidbits. Did the switch to swept handles coincide with the change in lot code location or was it just happenstance for lack of a better word.

                          Much appreciated lesson.

                          Kurt
                          The change in steel lot code location did NOT coincide with bending the bolt handle. And there was no relationship there-between.

                          J.B.

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