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  • rayg
    Senior Member
    • Aug 2009
    • 7444

    #16
    Originally posted by JB White
    Are we certain that's a Yank having tea with Tommy Adkins? That could be another version of the RAC tanker helmet. Looks as though he's wearing Limey boots and gaiters too.
    I think you might be right, could be he's not US, maybe from some other army. Maybe Brit motorcycle helmet or an other chap from another army w/us type helmet. Ray
    Last edited by rayg; 11-04-2017, 01:22.

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    • dogtag
      Senior Member
      • Sep 2009
      • 14985

      #17
      And the guy on the left maybe French ?
      shoulder boards ?

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      • clintonhater
        Senior Member
        • Nov 2015
        • 5220

        #18
        Originally posted by Vern Humphrey
        Rommel was gone by the time the Americans landed in North Africa, and we had a different tank -- the M4 Sherman.
        Not so!
        "The American M3 medium tank's first action during the war was in 1942, during the North African Campaign.[14] British Lees and Grants were in action against Rommel's forces at the Battle of Gazala on 27 May that year. Their appearance was a surprise to the Germans, who were unprepared for the M3's 75 mm gun. They soon discovered the M3 could engage them beyond the effective range of their 5 cm Pak 38 anti-tank gun, and the 5 cm KwK 39 of the Panzer III, their main medium tank. The M3 was also vastly superior to the Fiat M13/40 and M14/41 tanks employed by the Italian troops, whose 47 mm gun was effective only at point blank range, while only the few Semoventi da 75/18 self-propelled guns were able to destroy it using HEAT rounds.[15] In addition to the M3's 75 mm gun outranging the Panzers, they were equipped with high explosive shells to take out infantry and other soft targets, which previous British tanks lacked; upon the introduction of the M3, Rommel noted: Up to May of 1942, our tanks had in general been superior in quality to the corresponding British types. This was now no longer true [because the Brits had acquired M3s], at least not to the same extent."

        Not forgetting the whipping US forces received at Kasserine Pass, but that was due entirely to the 88s, not the Panzers.

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        • Vern Humphrey
          Administrator - OFC
          • Aug 2009
          • 15875

          #19
          Originally posted by clintonhater
          Not so!
          "The American M3 medium tank's first action during the war was in 1942, during the North African Campaign.[14] British Lees and Grants were in action against Rommel's forces at the Battle of Gazala on 27 May that year. Their appearance was a surprise to the Germans, who were unprepared for the M3's 75 mm gun. They soon discovered the M3 could engage them beyond the effective range of their 5 cm Pak 38 anti-tank gun, and the 5 cm KwK 39 of the Panzer III, their main medium tank. The M3 was also vastly superior to the Fiat M13/40 and M14/41 tanks employed by the Italian troops, whose 47 mm gun was effective only at point blank range, while only the few Semoventi da 75/18 self-propelled guns were able to destroy it using HEAT rounds.[15] In addition to the M3's 75 mm gun outranging the Panzers, they were equipped with high explosive shells to take out infantry and other soft targets, which previous British tanks lacked; upon the introduction of the M3, Rommel noted: Up to May of 1942, our tanks had in general been superior in quality to the corresponding British types. This was now no longer true [because the Brits had acquired M3s], at least not to the same extent."

          Not forgetting the whipping US forces received at Kasserine Pass, but that was due entirely to the 88s, not the Panzers.
          However, the M3 could not fight from hull defilade, which is THE tactic in tank-on-tank combat.

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          • twh
            Senior Member
            • Oct 2009
            • 224

            #20
            Not that it has anything to do with the original post but could that be a duplex drive Sherman?

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