Pope Francis Strikes Again!

[sid]

He has just denounced Trump's plan to recognize Jerusalem as Israel's capital. So far this pope has opposed the right of American citizens to own firearms, has supported the fools and liars who worry about global warming, has equated Islam with Christianity and Judaism, etc. Now he is trying to interfere with the foreign policy of our country. When is this going to stop?

Read this:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/pope-francis-defends-jerusalem-status-quo-095403674.html

[togor]

Maybe the Pope questions the upside of this decision, besides it being just another mindless sop to 'the base'. Maybe Sid the genius can explain how this will make Kushner's life easier as he undertakes to bring peace to the Middle East, having royally pissed off a good number of the protagonists. Maybe Sid's internet connection will crap out and he'll immediately become 50 points smarter in IQ terms, and we'll all be that much happier for not having to endure his silly threads.

[Mark in Ottawa]

As far as attempts to negotiate a mid east peace are concerned, I suspect that Mr. Trump, unlike most other leaders has recognized the futility of such efforts. There is no possibility of peace when one side's objectives start and end with the total destruction of the other, with anything in-between just being a ploy for military or political advantage (something that is apparently sanctioned by the Koran which allows lying to non-Muslims to gain military advantage). I fully agree with Mr. Trump on this issue; it is time to stop pandering to the terrorists and start forcing the world to accept reality.

[m1ashooter]

I agree with Mark and Sid on this. Togor, I've never said a thing about any of you posts but there is no call to insult Sid on the content of his post.

Peace will not return to the Middle East until Jesus returns.

Merry Christmas All.

[togor]

I agree with Mark and Sid on this. Togor, I've never said a thing about any of you posts but there is no call to insult Sid on the content of his post.

Peace will not return to the Middle East until Jesus returns.

Merry Christmas All.

Don't worry about Sid, he told me to p*ss off months ago and doesn't even see my posts (including this one). I wasn't criticizing him personally but c'mon I don't have to agree with everything he writes. He's kind of supplanted DT as the guy who combs the web to find stories that fit his pet prejudices so we can....discuss. Well he is not guaranteed agreement. And to me, slagging this Pope, who actually seems to give a crap about the poor and downtrodden (something I recall Jesus also giving a crap about, as written in the New Testament), strikes me as the epitome of hypocrisy among a crowd who's #1 obsession seems to be to drag America back to a mythical golden age that never was, including a certain interpretation of Christ's teaching. Catholics have a memory of experiencing bigotry in this country. Not as recent as the Jews, and nowhere near as overbearing as what racial minorities still experience every day, but we know the history. Most of sid's posts can pass scarcely noticed. A few lead to good conversation. A few stink. I call 'em like I see 'em.

[Allen]

The current pope is a POS. He is the one who wanted to dictate the need for gun control in America. Trump called him on it and reminded him that his guards were well armed--did he oppose to that? He is the one who said America doesn't need a wall. Here again Trump called him on it and reminded him that the Vatican was totally surrounded by a wall and obviously he intended to have it removed--he finally shut the fk up.

As far as Jerusalem goes, who other than the muslims would be against such, especially the so called religious leaders?

The pope is not a Holy being, he is just a well paid preacher. His opinions are just that--opinions. Perhaps he needs a gag order placed on him.

No offense to Catholics. If your religion insist you worship such a person/situation so be it. That is your business but for the rest of the world we don't care to hear about it. The Baptist and others do not have some dictator of their faith trying to control the whole world and aren't interested in much of anything the pope has to say.

The man who hides behind these walls half way around the world claims that the U.S. should not have a wall at all.

https://images.search.yahoo.com/search/images;_ylt=A0SO8yC_myla0HYAKhlXNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTE0N2kyNzAyBGNvbG8DZ3ExBHBvcwMxBHZ0aWQDQjQwNzlfMQRzZWMDcGl2cw--?p=the+vatican+walls&fr2=piv-web&fr=yfp-t

Keep the post coming Sid. For the most part you are amongst friends here.

[togor]

Well Allen, that about sums it up. From someone who believes that child molesters, so long as they profess to be God-fearing, are fit and proper for high leadership.

[Dan Shapiro]

Mark is spot on! Most Arabs pay only lip service to the "Palestinian" cause. Truth be told, they don't really give a rat's ass.
As for Francis; his only reference point is what has gone on in his own country in the past 30 or so years. Let's face it, Argentina isn't and hasn't been the best of places.
Unless, of course, you like welcoming Nazi's to live in your country.

You can count on the usual dumb-ass Palestinians to make a big deal out of this..............piss on them. They're not interested in "peace". About time a US President told them that we weren't going to continue to kiss their asses.

[bruce]

Re: "The current pope." In the modern era, there never is but one current pope. It's like the president ... one at the time. Pope Francis very happily speaks as he pleases and to whatever issue he chooses. Of course this twist the nose of some ... on the left and on the right. Cool. No man of God should trim his sails based on what wind blows from any particular source including politicians. After all, politicians only serve people ... sometimes. When it comes to walls, guards, limousines, living quarters, etc., Pope Francis is a refreshing change from his predecessors both immediate and otherwise. He did not build a wall or hire guards, etc. He has already deeply shaken those who once thought to control him. It will be interesting to see how he proceeds to reshape the Roman Catholic Church.

As to Jerusalem ... the Israelies currently hold it. As long as they can, they will hold it. Presently their low birthrate does not bode well for their future. No matter. Israel is merely a secular state of no more consequence than the secular arab states that surround it. IF Israel were to any real degree the people of Jewish faith who are heirs of Abraham, they would have legitimate claim to the land.

Back to the Pope. He is a man of God, like any other pastor. As to salary, many many people make much more money. He probably is not overly concerned about the money. Like any other man of God, his opinions reflect his own devotion to God. That devotion raises the hackles of some who do not share that devotion to God. That is good. No man of God would want to be the friend of a world system that does not submit to the lordship of Christ. If some wish to gag a man of God, it is understandable. Once people got all upset when Jesus had some things to say to them. They sought to not just gag him but push him off a high place. Guess they finally got the job done on Good Friday. Got to also figure they never saw Resurrection Sunday coming. Nice surprise that!

As to those who supposes to speak on behalf of others, there is no difference between the Pope speaking to whatever issues he chooses and someone elected as president of a denomination speaking to whatever issue he chooses. Perhaps the real difference is that like E.F. Hutton, when the Pope speaks, people listen. JMHO. Sincerely. bruce.

[bruce]

Re: Argentina, etc. Do please note that the mess in Argentina was the consequence of politicians and the military. They are entirely to blame. Happily the post dirty war era has been good for the nation. Those who once welcomed the nazis are no longer in power. Sincerely. bruce.

[TomSudz]

No offense to Catholics.

None taken. I've said it before (even to my parish priest), this guy is batsh!t crazy!

[Sako]

Maybe the Pope questions the upside of this decision, besides it being just another mindless sop to 'the base'. Maybe Sid the genius can explain how this will make Kushner's life easier as he undertakes to bring peace to the Middle East, having royally pissed off a good number of the protagonists. Maybe Sid's internet connection will crap out and he'll immediately become 50 points smarter in IQ terms, and we'll all be that much happier for not having to endure his silly threads.

Looks like things have done gone the full circle around here, Togor is starting to sound like Red.

[togor]

Looks like things have done gone the full circle around here, Togor is starting to sound like Red.

Now if Red starts to sound like me then you'll really have something!

But in all seriousness, someone (Allen) calling the Pope a POS is over the top. Disagree with him on issues but find away to do it respectfully, right? Unless...some other darker forces are at play here. Anyhow, bigotry is not unknown to Catholics, on both the giving and receiving ends.

[Allen]

Someone in a foreign country, a non-citizen or elected official, making hypocritical comments about what he wants America to do even though it defies our constitutional rights and freedoms is much less than a POS and a complement for what I actually think of him. Perhaps Pee Wee Herman should suggest that England reverse their traffic flow and Germany start displaying swastika's again.

[Allen]

None taken. I've said it before (even to my parish priest), this guy is batsh!t crazy!

Good. Glad to hear this and thanks for responding.

The many Catholic friends and co-workers I've known throughout my life have been nothing like the pope.